Tiger Woods wreck
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Topic: Tiger Woods wreck
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: Tiger Woods wreck
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 7:12am
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What makes him So special? Are hundreds of as or more serious accidents daily but he is doted over as something special ‘Just in recovery rehab for most recent back surgery’ so I would imagine Oxy or some other narcotic use for pain and should NOT have been driving. |
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 7:29am
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I am opting out on this one.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 7:45am
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What makes him so special? Have any of us here won the Masters, 15 major championships and 82 total professional golf tournaments? Didn't think so. I don't care either, not a golf fan. But millions are, and millions are interested, so it gets on the news. If you're not interested, tune it out, why bitch?
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 8:31am
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Dont know if he was on drugs... but has been in car accidents before, bad back, lots of med problems in the past... think he would KNOW BETTER by now ? ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 8:58am
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i actually watched a lot of CNN as they weren't Trump bashing... though I suppose THAT was his fault too ? haven't watched TV today, too nice, warmish and SUNNY,for now. It's pretty dang OBVIOUS what happened once you SAW the road 'uphill'.... He came down it real FAST, lost control, 'removed' a pole, the flipped over..down the hill. NOBODY said that OR the MAKE of the car...just that it was a freebie from the golf tournament. He's LUCKY to be alive, seriouly doubt he'll ever swing a club again as for all the media coverage...simple BLACK privalege, same as OJ .
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 9:14am
| Millions of people follow and are interested in celebrities, it's just a fact of life. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 9:32am
| Texting and driving???? |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 9:42am
| I do hope some good comes out of his crash, I think all golfers cars/trucks be equipped with a warning device that blares FORE the second that machine starts to leave the roadway. |
Posted By: Greg (Hillsboro, OH)
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 11:37am
I have mixed feelings about all of these "safety" items on cars now, auto parking, lane assist, auto driving cars, etc. All they do is give "drivers".... or steerers as they become, a false sense of safety and that they are now justified in looking at that cell phone or other not paying attention activities, as the car will take care of doing it and alert them. It is all a part of the dumbing down of the people. What happens if those electronic gadgets fail, and then you have to regain control, people won't know what to do because they've thought it isn't necessary.
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TomC wrote:Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 1:46pm
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The ONE 'safety' item I want to see mandated into EVERY vehicle would be a 'local cell phone jammer'. There's ZERO need for any driver at ANY time driving the vehicle to be yammering on the phone. None, zero, zip, zilch, rien. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 1:54pm
| I was just kidding!! I come from a long line of people that figure out how to get around the safety stuff |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 2:09pm
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Tiger is one of the luckiest guys I know, every time he wrecks the cocktail waitress always makes a clean break uninjured and he doesn't have to explain just who she was and what happened. Texting hands free. ------------- "LET"S GO BRANDON!!" |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 2:30pm
| Actually Tom, that was hilarious! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 3:35pm
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heard on the news.... NO BLOOD TESTS for drugs !!!! even though he's known to be addicted to Oxy ???? hmmmmmmmm man that stinks of 'FBP'.. Famous Black Privilege !!!! Had a white guy destroyed a car at 7AM, pretty sure they'd check for booze and drugs. Sure happy he didn't KILL anyone though. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 3:59pm
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Tigers worst enemy.......... is himself ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 6:13pm
LMAO !!!!!! Great reply !!
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Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 9:38am
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In response to the OP, he is an accomplished athlete. Won a few championships, etc. No different than Brady, Rogers, etc, except golf isn't much of a team sport, one wins or looses pretty much on his own (the caddy does help some). But, he became a hero (an over used term, especially here) to me when he pretty much told Billy Clinton to bugger off! ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 11:36am
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Stop and think how much pressure he is under from the way his father raised him. I have not really looked close as I have no interest in the sports culture of North America. But I would bet he never had a childhood to run and play and do dumb stuff kids do. His father put a golf club in his hands at being able to stand and he did nothing much but practice golf. I don't give him a pass on all the things he has done. But do hope he finds some peace in life without it coming from drugs or alcohol.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 12:14pm
| The World Golf will give him anothrer vehicle when he's ready for one. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 9:03pm
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Instead of picking a driver from his bag he better be picking one to drive him. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 9:23pm
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Part of the warped culture now. Any sports star, move star, etc. stubs their toe and it is all over the news. True very few make it to the top of their game. But I have never needed a sports star or movie star. I have needed the men and women of our armed forces, law enforcement, emergency medical services doctors, nurses and fire fighters and they are my heroes. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 10:11pm
| between Tiger and Kobey...yeah it's to bad Kobey and his daughter died in the helicopter crash, but i have never heard on the news anything about all the other persons on that flight that died too, no pics, no names, cept kobey and his daughter! |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 10:57pm
 Almost orginally posted the same exact thing Shame, I just decided to make light of the situation instead. I'm not sure how we got here over the decades but if movie stars, comedians, athletes(even golfers), politicians, and even mass murderers die they get wall to wall news coverage because that's important stuff to the public, yet the absolute essentials to life like those provided by farmers, carpenters, doctors, etc. and the protective services provided by police, fireman, military and EMT's get?? You guessed it, mum is the word when any of them die. At least we have our priorities straight in this country.------------- "LET"S GO BRANDON!!" |
Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 6:34pm
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Maybe that blond wife he had finally caught up with him with the golf club she tried to kill him with the first time.
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 11:50pm
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He started out right, but then turned into a first class jerk. He's ruined HIS life and the lives of a few others. I'm a golfer and I could care less if I ever hear his name again. Not after all that he's done. And that goes along with a LOT of other so called 'special' people. They've put him on a pedestal that he doesn't deserve. I don't feel sorry for him or any other drug addict that COULD have gotten help and gotten the monkey off their backs. Too bad..... Am I a cynic?? Hell yes, what about the person who had the talent, but never got the chance? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2021 at 7:55am
You must not watch or listen very closely then. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2021 at 8:32am
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He is famous for two reasons.......first is he is one of the best to ever play the game. In his early days, he hit some shots that had anyone who knows anything just shaking their heads. A 220 yard cut shot from a fairway bunker that he hit inside 5 feet to a tough pin location tucked behind a greenside bunker. His first Masters win, he won by something like 13 strokes, which may have been an all time record. And that goes back a ways.....he was on Mike Douglas TV show at age 2......with Bob Hope. In the early days, he towered about 120% above the rest of the field. Nobody else was close. All through grade school, high school, amateur years until he turned pro, and dominated everywhere. Second reason.....that his father was black, making him half black in a sport that was 99% white made him a news media sensation. That he was good would have only mattered to golfers. That he was good and black was a force multiplier that made him a media sensation throughout society. Same thing with Obummer. But then he started screwing up. Instead of dancing with what brung him, he kept trying to improve. He went through 4 or 5 swing doctors, each making changes, which screwed him up, and probably is what lead to the bad back. Also suspect he was taking steroids, which also didn't help. All that takes a toll. Have only been to one big time golf event, and it is a spectacle. Corporate sponsors and fans with too much money chasing celebrity. Bottom line is the world they live in isn't reality. Maybe for them, but not really. Most simply cannot handle the money, fame and celebrity without crashing and burning. Will be interesting to see what the black box says. My guess is driving way too fast......probably a habit of his. Problem that plagues a lot of folks these days.
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Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2021 at 8:37am
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And the nature of the coverage is pretty obvious. They continue to worship the celebrity and leave out the flaws. |
Posted By: weiner
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2021 at 7:45pm
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Dittos Ted J ------------- Real heros wear dogtags, not capes. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2021 at 9:16am
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Everyone has good points. Culture is wrong, cynical, don’t care, etc etc. Thing is it’s nothing new, nothing has changed except there’s more media. Why is there more media? Because there’s money to be made in media, and people are motivated to make money. Ever hear of Red Grange or Jim Thorpe? How about Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, or Ty Cobb? Mickey Mantle. How about Jackie Robinson? I fully realize there isn’t a single racist among us, but there are some out there and ol Jackie had a pretty rough time of things. The first time Tiger played at the Masters, making the cut as an amateur, the first black member at Augusta had only been a few years before that. So he was a big deal, like it or not, and it’s just a fact of life whether we like it or care. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2021 at 12:22pm
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The color of his skin has NOTHING to do with it. From everything I've seen, the only 'black privelage' flags ever associated with Tiger, were those flown by others. It was a big deal to those who wanted to wave some sort of flag. To sensible people, he was just a kid who was really, really, really good at golf. When cornered by people who were TRYING to incide a race argument, Tiger took the same road as Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman: Shoot it down. Morgan's best line ever: If you want RACISM to cease to exist, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. I'm not a golfer, my wife and her family are long-time experienced, and while I'm not great, I've proven that on a calm day, this uncultured troglodyte can swing a driver hard enough, and true enough to put it on a long-straight-fairway green with uncanny regularity, much to the chagrin of all those around. Sometimes I can even putt, but know the detailed rules and undocumented social ettiquette I do not. It's a game of stick-ball to me, and I don't give a hoot about the shoes or dress code. Call him a golf pro, call him a prodigy superstar, an addict, a philanderer, or even a quiet man, but don't call him a waver of race-card. It is for the simple fact that he doesn't do that, that he is respected. Don't think for a moment that there aren't other pro golfers out there that have tumultuous histories and home problems, that particular profession, and the insistance of paparazzi and public to want to saturate themselves into a person's life is one of the most misunderstood and poisonous punishments ever. As the late Neil Peart wrote, living the limelight is a universal dream, yet there is no happiness to be found when imprisoned in a gilded cage. Having been many times just-close-enough to see where I DON'T want to be, a word of advice for anyone ever in a position to meet someone famous: Treat them like any other person- Ignore them. be polite, don't call them by their name, even if you know it, and don't tell them anything more than your first. Don't ask them about their work, or life. If they're crabby, walk away. If they want to talk, let THEM pick the subject. The really famous people I know, I met through hobbies, so we talk about HAM radio, old cars, metalworking, and fishing. I feel sad that he's injured, I hope he recovers. I'm injured too, recovering from knee surgery, probably much better off than he'll be, because I can work from home 'till they let me drive, then I'll be back to normal, with probably no measureable loss of capacity. His job, not so much. And for all the reason above, I feel sad for him. He doesn't get to have a real life like you guys and I do. Take a look at the lyrics to Lynrd Skynrd's "Don't ask me no questions", and imagine having a life where an army of crazy people are always in your face. He wrecked his car. Perhaps, at that moment, it wasn't such an accident.
------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2021 at 5:45pm
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Did I hear a request? https://youtu.be/EKbkArYyics" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/EKbkArYyics Personally, I don't follow nor hold ANY celebrity as a hero, or someone to look up to, they are all cut from the same human cloth, as the rest of us. I do get a little perturbed, when they get special treatment, but that's human nature, I guess... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Grayray
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2021 at 7:07pm
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Yep. My dad used to say "they put their pants on one leg at a time, just like i do." |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2021 at 7:16pm
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Who won the NASCAR race today ? ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2021 at 9:34pm
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I dont follow golf at all.. Dont know nothing about it... But i will admitt, if you took the 10 great golfers off all times and printed their pictures, T Woods would be the ONLY one that i could name. ............ maybe A Palmer from all the old commercials . ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 10:26am
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It is great to find your talent earlier than latter. Along with the old saw, have a job you like, you never work a day in your life. But I am not coming up with any person that gained fame before having a real childhood that has handled it well. About a sure thing they will turn to a chemical to look for happiness, which is always disaster. Not following Tiger at all I wish him and other child prodigies well in life. But I am not interested in following any of them. Maybe this is Gods way of taking pressure off Tiger, if he has permit damage to his leg's. He is not letting his dad down if he is not the champion anymore. When I saw this topic was still current,  and only a few said they follow golf.  But we all get sucked into fame and fortune. Even if just to say it is over rated. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 10:57am
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re: Who won the NASCAR race today ? whoever crosses the finish line first...... Now WHO will win the 'cup' ? It can actually be someone who never,ever crosses the finish line first ....... I only watch the last 10-20 laps since they run in 'segments' or whatever they call a run of 30-50 laps....... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2021 at 5:40pm
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So the black box says Tiger was going 87 MPH in a 45 MPH zone... That caused the crash... BUTT, BUTT, BUTT... he will not get a ticket.... "NOBODY" saw him going that fast !!! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2021 at 5:58pm
| Aint this all a bunch of horse crap ! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 7:19am
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so... next time yYOU get caught doing 40 OVER , clain the 'Tiger woods defence'.... heck , claim it, doing 10 over...so how far that gets you....  ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 4:50pm
Be very careful what you wish for. I don't think you want the authorities coming and checking your vehicle whenever they wish, based on an anonymous tip, checking speed, GPS, etc and writing you a ticket for speeding through school zones or wherever based on the black box info. Red light camera's in MO are illegal for that very reason, no human involvement, what was stated to stop bad crashes at so called problem intersections became giving tickets to drivers who didn't make an absolute complete stop for the, "right turn on red," or stopping slightly in front of the white line. Revenue from people running red lights fell dramatically because people adapt and quit running red lights so the infraction search expanded. KCMO had to refund almost 2 years worth of fines. Tiger was verrrry wrong, he could be ticketed for careless driving but opening the black box would be a Pandora effect. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 6:19pm
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Insurance company will have the air bag 'black box ' data..are then able to NOT pay out on any insurance claims.... that's done all the time.... Also if uoi opt in for one of those 'aps' or OBDII boxes the car insurance people offer, you legally give away a LOT of personal data to ANYONE in the world who'll pay for it We have Red light cameras, BIG money maker.. as OWNER of the vehicle HAS to pay the fine or you can't get your tags next year. BIG fine..but NO 'points'. They do help slow down SOME people, not all of course. They'll net 10s of ,1000s down the road from me over the next 2 years as a slow speed sideroad WILL be the main road while 1/2mile of road is being upgraded. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 6:31pm
This is what I was thinking. A good thing that this layer hasn’t been broken yet. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2021 at 6:33pm
Insurance would still pay in Michigan. Rates would go up but they would pay. Canada sucks. Everything like that varies state to state. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 2:34am
| sounds to me like this latest wreck was a suicide attempt? |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 7:37am
| Right, cuz nobody ever drives fast on a winding road for fun. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 8:32am
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TWICE the limit ? I dont know too many people that drive 90 MPH on a winding road that is posted 45 MPH... ???? .............. most could not hold it on the road if they were on the Interstate ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 8:39am
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Most couldn’t hold 90 on the interstate??? Hahaha, you ever been on the interstate? |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 8:58am
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YEP.... ever seen how many PLOW into the back of the guy in front of them... flip over in the ditch..."MOST" are not capable of that speed.... even in a STRAIGHT line........ and TIGER was trying to do it on a winding 45 mph road ? 55 or 60 MAYBE, NOT 90 ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 9:15am
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And they have yet to mention.....was he also texting or talking on his cell phone while driving nearly 90 mph in a 45 mph zone? My guess is he does this all the time.......and physics caught up with him this time.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 9:31am
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He had the pedal BURIED to the floor..... Shammers could be right ! Woods was driving at an unsafe speed when he wrecked his vehicle in the Los Angeles area in February, authorities said Wednesday. Woods was driving between 84 and 87 mph when he first made impact, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva said during a news conference. He was driving 75 mph when the vehicle hit a tree. The posted speed limit was 45 mph. Authorities said there was no evidence of impairment when first responders arrived. Officials said Woods had no recollection of the wreck. Villanueva vigorously denied that authorities gave Woods special treatment in the case. Los Angeles Sheriff’s Capt. James C. Powers said the black box in the vehicle revealed that Woods’ acceleration pedal percentage, which is the pressure applied to the accelerator pedal at the time of the crash, was at 99% at all of the areas of impact in the collision. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 12:00pm
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Funny is; the people that start these posts and complain about what they are complaining about! I think it just spreads the news even further. I saw they had determined what the cause was but didn't bother reading it. I was between two cars going 90 or faster up the Eway one day. That was fun, but I don't often do it and never if the Queen is with me! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 2:14pm
| the fastest i've ever driven was 140 and change in my cruiser, i backed out of it as the car began to float, never do that again, a dead Deputy is no good to anyone! Tiger can do anything he wants to, just so he don't take someone else with him! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2021 at 6:13pm
| Well evidently NOT Shameless, is doubtful with the pins in his foot he will ever make a effective golf swing again and as to pain, he was already addicted to Back Pain Meds. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2021 at 8:48pm
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You need to get off Tigers back. He probably had a back spasm that caused him to floor it. He's a victim here. It's Bidens fault. That or he sniffed some Roundup while on the golf course and it's Monsanto's fault. But not his fault just because he was behind the wheel. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2021 at 8:57pm
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re: But not his fault just because he was behind the wheel. Ultimately HE was the driver and is responsible, needs to be charged. Minimum of 'careless driving', though 'dangerous driving ' is probably the correct charge, as well as damaging private property. If you'd done what he did, you'd have been charged...... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2021 at 9:49pm
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I have been tempted to get into this discussion, but other than a big X2 to what JW said, I fear saying much more would only provide proof of how foolishly I spent my youth, and 'youth' is relative....I was younger yesterday than I am today, so that would be my youth. ------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2021 at 9:54pm
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Lou... i dont know when your YOUTH stopped, but Tiger is 45 years old ! ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2021 at 9:26am
| Id say one of those fancy hookers he had in the past had something to do with it |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2021 at 10:30am
| No, it’s Nanobots from the Covid vaccine. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2021 at 6:23pm
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I had a similar thought to what Shameless said page or so back. But since he is still with us I pray for him to get most of the monkeys off his back. I stated way back on this he has most likely had his dad on him (in his own mind, I know his dad is dead) that no matter how good he was he could of been better. Many talented people crash and burn because of the pressure they feel from others. So be it drugs, dreams of ????, or the I am to important for you to be in my way , I hope he comes out of this a better person. Part of the better person would except the reasonability for the actions as well though.
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