muzzle loader guns
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Topic: muzzle loader guns
Posted By: shameless dude
Subject: muzzle loader guns
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 1:37am
| don't they just shoot a metal ball? BIL showed me a sharp pointed thing, says it's what he shoots with his muzzle gun...had threads inside it, sure looked like a tip for an arrow...but i didn't say anything...he's pretty windy on everything. |
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Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 1:49am
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Just don't be too close to him when he shoots it! |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 2:07am
| I have a Thompson Center flintlock, 45cal. I built from a kit for about 125$ about 40 yrs. ago. It shoots a round lead ball with a patch. There a few types of projectiles for it. Is his a cap and ball(inline) or flintlock? I haven't seen mine for about 20 yrs., I, Sons and Grandsons have gotten deer with it, Would like to post pictures but haven't figured that out how to post them. |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 2:57am
I know nothing about muzzle loaders but I have a couple friends shoot muzzle loader and they look like spitzer style bullets. Here's a few on a online article.  ------------- "LET"S GO BRANDON!!" |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 4:49am
| 99 it kinda looked like the middle one in the pic with the blue tip. so...he wasn't full of chit this time? there were threads up inside it on the bottom. think it was about a inch ana 1/2 long. |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 6:00am
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Remind me of pencils from high school. Find one somebody threw away and use it until it was to short to sharpen. Didn't have to work about people asking to barrow a pencil this way ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 6:21am
| Have shot all those pictured but not the one you described. I don't use powder pellets but wonder if the threads are used with a rod to hold pellets to bullet and load as an assembly? |
Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 6:34am
| I don't know much about firearms as I am non violent since the election! |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 6:54am
| Sabots increase the range accuracy and knock down power of a muzzle loader. The only ones I've used look like a boat tail bullet with a plastic cup on the end they don't use a patch. |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 6:58am
| I've used them for years I don't recollect seeing one with threads in the base, only time I've seen actual threads in a ball or conical round is if someone had used a ball puller on the round to get it out of the bore |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 7:47am
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I use the Spire point, boat tail saboted bullets in my .50 inline. Also use two of the 50 grain powder plugs with the 209 primers.. I have it sighted in at 150 yards for a really great load. Works great on 800# Elks,,,,,  I seriously doubt you could ever talk me into trying to remove a round ball from the business end of a muskett shooter,,,,with the powder right under that bullet,,,,,,!!!!! Whew,,,,,
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 8:13am
JOE !!   ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 8:29am
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Shameless, Folks, That is a impressive line up of projectiles used in front of black powder. Which in a lot of cases folks dont even use black powder, they use a pellet. and then in some states the newer in-line weapons use the primer from a shotgun shell to spark the charge. Making these "flintlocks" as far away from the originals as a WC Allis to a New Kubota! I need to drag my Thompson Center Hawkin out this year. It is the old school flintlock with as mentioned powder, patch and 50 caliber round ball. Couple of us old farts get them out after Christmas and carry them, shoot them, and watch deer laugh as they stand there and wonder what the heck just happened to that old guy with the smoke pole! So your BIL is going high tech on the deer hunting. Any guy thing like this has to be improved! Couple PA smoke pole hunting pics:  Friend Brent in the Hilton, Yea its rough!  They all seen deer, notice none on the ground! Yea that muzzleloader season.  Here is what happens sometimes if the dog is doing his job:The old round ball will work!  Regards, Chris
------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 9:43am
This is a view from my tree stand after taking her out with a replica. 44 cal Remington 1858 Army cap and ball revolver 
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 10:51am
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Great Pics,,Chris,,,ain't nuttin like that great comarardy durin the fall hunts,,ain't it,,,?? I remember back in the day,,,all of our family of 5 boys and 4 BIL's would get together,,,wives, kids and dogs,,Chit,,we'd have 25-30 peoples havin a great time for 4-5 days. One Big campfire and lots of great cooking,, and,,,and,,,a little beer drinkin too !!! We had a rule that absolutely NO DRINKIN til after everybody got back to camp and guns stored away in the trks. I just remembered,,My 3rd Son uses some new kind of powder in his inline that he tells me is twice more powerful than the smokeless pellets I use,,can't think of the name,,,but he sights his smokepole in at 250 yards,,,,dead ON,,,,WOW
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Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 11:26am
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I like the Hilton. Getting tired of the ladder and tower stands and too old and fat to use a climber. ------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 1:47pm
| On my own Muzzle Loader I use a Sabot enclosed Copper Slug. Shoots great out to 100 yards. |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 2:28pm
| In 1874 a guy by the name of Billy Dixon at the battle of Adobe walls made a kill shot with a black powder Sharps 45-90 shot at 1,536 yards., he did say the rest of his life it was luck only but they will reach right out there. One of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned was a paper cartridge Sharps in .50 caliber backed up with 120 grains of powder. Very accurate rifles, the lock time had a lot to be desired but very accurate |
Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 4:04pm
| Need that cloud of smoke to distract the deer while I reload. |
Posted By: festus51
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 4:05pm
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On the blue bullet I believe those would be sealing grooves for the gases . ------------- We the unwilling Led by the unqualified Doing the impossible for the Ungrateful |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 4:44pm
Actually,,I'm a lot better shot with the muzzle loader than with my 7MM Magnum,,,maybe cause I can't seem to not flinch at the shoulder mashing recoil,,,,,
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Boss Man wrote:Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 4:56pm
| OLD OLD movie with Burt Lancaster, 'Tell them Valdez Is Coming' He used a Sharps cartridge gun, doubled a powder charge to 'Reach Out and touch someone' at distance should not have been able to make. |
Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 6:44pm
| Part of the accuracy with a Sharps is the fact they are incredibly heavy,even loaded up real stout it gives you a solid shove but won't rip your shoulder off, yup, you need a wall,big rock or bench to shoot off. It definitely ain't your house to house combat gun |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2020 at 11:10pm
| i'm not much of a gun person either...i do have a few and can shoot them if needed, but right now the only thing i use black powder or powder pellets for are my....uh...fireworks! man...can i blast off a 5-6 inch tree! kinda looks like light'nin hit it! thanks for the replies guys...i'm sure he's the one blowing smoke, as he can't hardly walk on dry pavement not alone walk in any wooded area to shoot anything! he talks big, but ain't to bright! |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 10:31am
| They'll even shoot ramrods ifen you leave em in the barrel. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 12:43pm
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Muskets of the 16th–19th centuries were accurate enough to hit a target of 20x20 inches at a distance of 100 meters. The maximum range of the bullet was 1100 meters. At 100 metres, the musket bullets penetrated a steel bib about 4 millimetres ( little over 1/8 inch) thick or a wooden shield about 5 inches thick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket#:~:text=Muskets%20of%20the%2016th%E2%80%9319th,shield%20about%205%20inches%20thick." rel="nofollow - |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 12:57pm
| Found my package of Muzzle Loader bullets, 'Power Belts'. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2020 at 7:46pm
| Chris....you gots a bar in that place? |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2020 at 5:04am
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Chris, got the plans for the 'Hilton'? I could ENJOY hunting again! A stove, fridge, bar, terlit an a TV.... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |