COVID: There is a light at the end of the tunn

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Topic: COVID: There is a light at the end of the tunn

Posted By: nella(Pa)
Subject: COVID: There is a light at the end of the tunn
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 7:29am

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 8:06am

Best part is Biteme and the Demonrats in Congress had ZERO part in this development, they state they did is OBVIOUS they are LYING their collective azzes off.

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 8:38am

YEP... "BITEME HAS A PLAN"................ BULLSH*T ..... All you can do it take precautions as you go about your life... This does not end until we get the vaccine... and it is TRUMP that cut the red tape to get that done in 8 months, instead of 8 years.

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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:32pm

The REAL BullShxt is yesterdays NEW Cases count of 183,527 for a 24 hour period

and Yellow Bird doesn't even mention it a Covid briefing

Again 183,527 in ONE DAY

That is more than 1/2 what Canada has recorded since March.

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 4:57pm

we do more TESTING than anywhere in the WORLD... You need to pay more attention to the DEATHS... They are high, and rising, but per population, lower than Europe.... Hard to compare Canada to USA... population, density, industry, BIG CITIES, travel .... lots of things lead to increase spreading.

Exactly what is Canada doing that the USA is not ?..... NOTHING.

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Posted By: Dnoym N. S. Can.
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 7:00pm

Canada’s coronavirus performance hasn’t been perfect. But it’s done far better than the U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/amanda-coletta/" rel="nofollow -

July 15, 2020 at 8:00 a.m.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was defending his government’s historic budget deficit, caused largely by shutting down parts of the economy and ramping up spending on emergency relief programs to fight the

Considering the alternative, he told reporters in Ottawa, it’s been worth it.

“We were able to control the virus better than many of our allies,” he told reporters this month. “Including, particularly, our neighbor.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-canada-border-coronavirus/2020/06/30/2cbfd3b0-b55c-11ea-a510-55bf26485c93_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_7" rel="nofollow - Some Canadian businesses want to let Americans back in. Most Canadians don’t.

He has a point. Canada’s response to the pandemic hasn’t been perfect — Quebec and Ontario suffered substantial outbreaks, authorities enlisted soldiers to help in hard-hit long-term care facilities, and Mexico was so concerned about conditions on farms that it threatened to hold back its migrant workers.

Still, the country has fared far better than the United States. The close allies share similar connections to initial hot spots in China and Europe, and they confirmed their first cases within a week of each other in January. But the United States has since reported more than three times as many total infections per capita, and nearly twice as many deaths

Canadians have taken note. The two countries agreed to close their shared border to nonessential travel in March. Surveys here show that the closure, while economically painful, continues to enjoy wide public support.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/07/06/prince-edward-island-canada-coronavirus-atlantic-bubble-reopening-travel/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_14" rel="nofollow - To keep coronavirus out, Canada’s smallest province kept the rest of the country away. Now outsiders are returning.

“There’s no smugness,” said Susy Hota, medical director of infection prevention and control at Toronto’s University Health Network. “We look at what’s happening to our neighbor in the south and all of us are just feeling really bad about it.”Analysts point to several reasons for the divergent outcomes.Canada has the natural advantage of geography: It has less than one-ninth the United States’ population. Canadians aren’t evenly distributed — two-thirds of them live within 62 miles of the U.S. border — but no city here is as densely populated as, say, New York City.

Trucks traverse the Ambassador Bridge, which links Windsor, Ontario, with Detroit.

“We have that geographic distribution between major centers,” said Jason Kindrachuk, a virologist at the University of Manitoba. “Undoubtedly, it has played a role.”

But the country has also performed better at critical moments. In the early stages of the pandemic, Canada was able to ramp up testing more quickly than the United States, enabling it to better isolate the sick, trace contacts and limit spread.

Efforts in the United States were hindered in part by a flawed test.

Health-care workers speak with patients at a drive-through coronavirus testing center in London, Ontario, in March.

Canada’s early success in testing would not last. Several provinces have struggled to meet testing targets and clear backlogs, leaving officials flying blind when trying to identify outbreaks or to rapidly trace contacts.

Zain Chagla, an infectious-diseases physician at St. Joseph’s Healthcare Hamilton, said some hospitals have turned away patients with coronavirus symptoms for lack of tests. The United States now tests more people per capita than Canada.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-canada-new-brunswick-newfoundland-double-bubble/2020/05/07/78e08960-8eec-11ea-9322-a29e75effc93_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_29" rel="nofollow - Canadian provinces allow locked-down households to pair up — threatening hurt feelings all around

The Canadian people have been less divided and more disciplined. Some provinces and territories could have locked down sooner, analysts say, but once measures were announced, they were strict, broadly uniform and widely followed.

“It was completely unexpected,” said Gary Kobinger, director of the Research Center on Infectious Diseases at Quebec’s Laval University. “I thought that people would not accept to stay home. . . . This also helped.”

Fans watch musician Dean Brody during a drive-in concert to celebrate Canada Day on July 1 in Markham, Ontario.

Some provinces and territories, like some U.S. states, moved early to https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/07/06/prince-edward-island-canada-coronavirus-atlantic-bubble-reopening-travel/?itid=lk_inline_manual_33" rel="nofollow - limit travel from other parts of the country and mandate quarantines . Michael Gardam, chief of staff at Toronto’s Humber River Hospital, said provinces have mostly been “appropriately cautious” when easing restrictions, in contrast to those states that never imposed closures or stay-at-home orders or loosened controls prematurely.

Researchers at the University of Toronto studying reopenings found that restrictions in Yukon, a northern territory that had 11 coronavirus cases and no deaths, are more stringent than those in Texas, where hospitalizations are surging.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-canada-nunavut-inuit-first-nations/2020/05/31/5bd6aeec-9f74-11ea-be06-af5514ee0385_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_37" rel="nofollow - Canada’s Nunavut: A vast territory with few people — and no coronavirus

Gerald Evans, a professor of medicine at Queens University in Kingston, Ontario, said Canada’s single-payer national health-care system also confers “distinct” advantages, allowing people to seek care for covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, without fear of out-of-pocket costs.

Analysts also point to differences in political leadership.Canadian officials have largely set aside partisan grievances for a “Team Canada” effort. Alberta Premier Jason Kenney sent excess personal protective gear to provinces in need, including Quebec, led by frequent sparring partner Premier François Legault.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau volunteers at the Moisson Outaouais food bank in Gatineau, Quebec.

That contrasts with the response in the United States, where President Trump has at times seemed to condition federal aid on support for him, and governors have fought with each other and the federal government over critical supplies.

Though Canada’s response has not been entirely devoid of politics, Canadian officials have consistently deferred to public health experts and scientists to drive policy decisions and have offered a generally consistent message.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-canada-asylum-seeker-nursing-home/2020/06/11/353b9756-abf0-11ea-a9d9-a81c1a491c52_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_46" rel="nofollow - Asylum seekers risk their lives to help Canada fight covid-19. Trudeau could upgrade their status.

“There’s been a consensus . . . that covid-19 is a very serious health problem and many members of Parliament from all parties have been elevating the messages of health experts over the course of the crisis,” said Eric Merkley, a political scientist at the University of Toronto. “That distinguishes us from the United States, where the Republican Party has elevated covid skeptics quite substantially.”

People walk in Toronto’s Eaton Centre shopping mall as businesses in Ontario continue to reopen in June.

Merkley is the lead author of a https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/14238F14B2E3B0536813583ED0A4A833/S0008423920000311a.pdf/rare_moment_of_crosspartisan_consensus_elite_and_public_response_to_the_covid19_pandemic_in_canada.pdf" rel="nofollow - paper that describes Canada’s response as a “rare moment of cross-partisan consensus” among political elites and the public.

Canada’s performance has included missteps. Before the country recorded its first case, officials assured the public that the health-care system was ready and the risk posed by the virus was “low.”

They would repeat that message into early March. But as cases began to tick up in February, some infectious-disease experts worried that inertia had slowed the government’s response. Some said Canada was too slow to close its borders, screen travelers and enforce quarantines. Some provinces dispatched their own public health workers to airports to screen travelers, encroaching on an area of federal jurisdiction.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-canada-long-term-care-nursing-homes/2020/05/18/01494ad4-947f-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_54" rel="nofollow - How the coronavirus spread through a Canadian nursing home

There were worries about shortages of personal protective equipment. Government efforts to procure supplies ran into barriers. The problem has not been entirely rectified. Chagla said his hospital still faces shortages of N95 respirator masks.

Long-term-care homes quickly emerged as hot spots. Roughly one-fifth of Canada’s cases and more than 80 percent of its deaths have occurred in those facilities, according to government figures, despite repeated warnings about their vulnerabilities.

Spiraling outbreaks in Ontario and Quebec were so severe that Ottawa agreed to send the Canadian military to help. Soldiers documented abuses including cockroach infestations, force feeding and “significant gross fecal contamination” in patients’ rooms.

Canadian service members wait in Toronto to convoy to Canadian Forces Base Borden in Ontario in April to respond to government requests to help fight the coronavirus.

Canada had nearly two decades to prepare for a pandemic.

In 2003, the severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, killed 44 people in Toronto — the most deaths outside Asia.

A commission that reviewed the province’s response to the outbreak said the public health-care system was “broken, neglected, inadequate and dysfunctional.” In the next outbreak, it advised against waiting for scientific certainty before implementing measures to reduce risk.

Kobinger, who helped pioneer the Ebola vaccine, said the advice has not been followed, particularly with respect to guidance on masks. Canada recommended wearing masks many weeks after the United States, reversing an earlier position and confusing citizens, he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-montreal-quebec-canada-reopening/2020/05/22/74be7160-99de-11ea-ad79-eef7cd734641_story.html?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_66" rel="nofollow - Quebec, Canada’s hardest-hit province, is also the most aggressive about reopening

Gardam, who worked on the front lines of the 2003 outbreak, said he agreed at the outset of the coronavirus pandemic with the officials who said Canada had learned lessons from SARS — “only to find that some of the issues we had during SARS just sort of came up again.”

Chagla said now is not the time to be complacent. As of Tuesday evening, Canada had reported more than 110,000 cases of coronavirus, 20th in the world, and 8,843 deaths, according to data kept by Johns Hopkins. A Canadian Senate committee reported this month that the country is https://sencanada.ca/en/info-page/parl-43-1/soci-the-federal-response-to-covid-19-our-interim-observations/" rel="nofollow - ill-prepared to handle a second wave .

“I think the Canadian mentality sometimes is to compare yourself to the Americans,” Chagla said. “I think we certainly can, but we can also look and see how could we have improved ourselves.”

B:-) Dnoym

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2020 at 8:57pm

LOL........... Canada is SMALLER in population than California.... Los Angeles is 4.5 MILLION PEOPLE... Toronto is 2.5 MILLION..... San Diego is bigger than MOST cities in Canada..

Lets compare apples to apples..

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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 9:29am

Steve

Reading your earlier Post, Nov. 14, you hit the nail squarely on the head:

"we do more TESTING than anywhere in the WORLD... You need to pay more attention to the DEATHS"

BUT it is the 'Rate of Deaths' or the % of population deaths that really matters.

In your latest Post starting with LOL, the joke is really on you because you only talk about populations.

Look at the numbers in the 'Worldometer.info' Link. the column "Deaths/ 1M Pop"

The US present Rate: 759 deaths per 1 million population

CANADA present Rate: 289 deaths per 1 million

US rate about 3X that of CANADA.

You mention Europe.

   "but per population, lower than Europe.."

So how about India, 4X the pop. of US, but only 1/2 the Deaths.

That puts the US 8X worse than India - 94 / 1 M pop

   "Hard to compare Canada to USA."

I think not. All you have to do is look at the numbers in Worldometer.

Gary

BTW one of our Canadian Provinces working in partnership with Germany recently announced that they had developed a vaccine that is 90% effective.

   GO CANADA

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 9:48am

There are THOUSANDS of air planes flying into a dozen large cities in the US every day.. There are MILLIONS of cars traveling cross country EVERY DAY. There are THOUSANDS of events across the country EVERY DAY.. People are on the move............

You compare that to INDIA or Pakistan where people done get 100ft from their house ? They are basically LOCKED DOWN 24-7 EVERY DAY of EVERY YEAR... Thats why they have no spread.... If you want to live in INDIA, CHINA, Afghanistan or other, thats fine... Thats NOT what the USA is all about.. We have FREEDOM and enjoy it... WE DONT WANT TO CHANGE.

Tell me, what would YOU DO to stop the WUHAN in the USA ?? And dont forget, WE WILL HAVE the Vaccine that is distributed to the world to "FIX" the problem.. WE are not locked down, WE ARE WORKING........ WE have 3 vaccines that are 90- 95% effective today.

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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 10:34am

How many family members of the 260,000 that DIED from the Virus would sacrifice a bit of there Freedom if it meant there loved ones would still be ALIVE ?

and that could easily be 'Social Distancing and Wearing a Mask'

Seems to be working quite well here in CANADA. Death Rate ONLY 94 / M

BTW the repeated comment that the US does more Testing.

Again, read the Worldometer.

Yesterday the US tested 399,418. INDIA tested 800,000.

Twice as many. Check my math!

G

Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 10:57am

The USA statistics are wacky compared to the world. Say you are 1 day to 6 month of dyeing from cancer but you get a positive test for covid you become a covid death by USA standards.

I believe in being scared to death, but look at the numbers. Even in the USA you have better than a 99% chance of surviving covid. Time to come out of the cave for 99% of the people and get back to work.

Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 11:49am

All one has to do is look at the statistics for places like MN - where the MAJOR DEATH COUNT is in long term care facilities - those under supervised and controlled access situations - where when your in them the chances YOUR GOING TO DIE rises exponentially - in other words - kiss your rear good by as you will be a statistic soon .

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 4:30pm

Kids below 15 years old have a higher chance of dieing from the yearly flu.. chance of dieing from WUHAN is almost ZERO.... People in the 30-50 range have an equal chance of dieing from WUHAN or the yearly flue.. again, very small.... 85% ( OR MORE) of the deaths are people over 60 ... normally 70-90... I dont think those people are running around town wearing masks... If they are, THEY NEED TO STAY HOME !!.. Like Ray said, let the workers all get back to work!

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 5:29pm

Two convenient or inconvenient accesses into aged care facilities, first is by the Clients themselves that require dialysis or Chemo treatments that CANNOT occur in the homes, are transported and remain for a considerable period of time in a facility where the virus is quite happy, second is care associates that ALSO work in those same type facilities and carry the damn virus in with themselves.

Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 6:36pm

Might have mentioned it before but relation is a Pastor at a nursing home here in MN - she has had to deal with 85 deaths in that facilities up until July - have not talked to her in a while of how many more she has had to give comfort to or administer per say Last Rights to since then .
But at same time she had 2 teenage daughters she also had to take care of at home - none of who contracted anything . How she managed to hold up I still can't fathom

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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 7:41pm

Two teenage daughters 'she' has to take care of.

Think it would be time for the 2 daughters to help take care of mom including lots of house chores

Unless of course they are handicapped, then that would change everything.

G

Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 7:51pm

who said they are not helping ??? Assume they are 14 and 15 years old... You want them to do the shopping, drive to town , pay the bills ... all while going to school ? If they are 19 you might have a point, but not much of one.

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Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 4:44am

are those the only 'house chores' you can think of?

Shopping and Paying Bills !

Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 6:27am

Gary wrote:

are those the only 'house chores' you can think of?

Shopping and Paying Bills !

What the hell is the point of turning THIS into an argument?! Jeezuz get a life.

Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 7:23am

Ray54 wrote:

The USA statistics are wacky compared to the world. Say you are 1 day to 6 month of dyeing from cancer but you get a positive test for covid you become a covid death by USA standards.

Agree

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2020 at 9:18am

250,000 deaths in the USA........ 200,000 of them were over 65 years old... most of them were in the nursing home...... Like i said, if your under 55, its about like getting the yearly flu.

AND... the US is doing 2 MILLION TESTS PER DAY... not 300K.

172 MILLION TOTAL in the lst 6 months.

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