We're flexible- color doesn't matter, doesn't need a cab, though they are nice. We'd like a diesel engine, and a low first gear so our old baler can keep up with the big windrows if possible. That's pretty much all of our requirements

What would you guys recommend? You guys have run a heck of a lot more tractors than I'll probably ever run

On our 7040, you feel so high up that it's not easy to run the wagon. The 7040 feels a lot like our neighbor's bigger Case IH Mangums in size, while our White 2-105 felt like a smaller, more nimble tractor. Would something like a 7000 or 7010 feel that way, or would it feel as big as our 7040?

 now if ya want to spend the $1700,, go for a cab tractor. do you do baling in the summer? I prefer a cab with AC,,but an open tractor with a canopy in the summer would work,, small square bales don't get really nasty/dirty like big rounds or big squares.

what tractors are popular in your area?? what dealers are the most helpful/close?,,

 

big round fellas, get them clone easy JD type steps an put them on, or build ya some steps ya like,,,yea I know bout the 7000 series,, I gotta 7060,,,kinda difficult to get in and out 

 

If ya need BIG horse,, that's ok, but I'd stay within reason on what your running, say +10-20 HP,, be more efficient,, ya don't need 180 hp to run a small square baler...

We have a round baler, but haven't used it yet. The vast majority of what we do is going to be small squares. We run a New Holland 276 now, but will be getting something a bit higher capacity to keep up with the neighbor's 30 foot headers.

As for what's popular out here, it's all John Deere. One guy runs a fleet of Olivers and Whites, one guy runs Internationals, and we have our Allis and had a White before that. Other than that, almost EVERYTHING is Deere. They're the only dealer that isn't 100 miles away, but we've just gotten used to making the trip or ordering parts over the phone

The neighbor's 4320 has a Hiniker cab on it, but we've just taken the rear window out when we run it. That tractor handles it really well- easy to drive and reach the controls. I've picked up a couple loads with our 7040 and hate that tractor on the wagon. Hard to get into, but it's hard to describe- it just feels massive. Harder to see the bales, not as manuverable, and to push the controls, I have to hold a long stick in my hand reaching out the back. It just really doesn't work well at all for that. Great tillage tractor, but terrible for the wagon

A Black Belly has much better steps, the gearshift in the console and I understand a smaller steering wheel to address the entry issue compared to a maroon belly 7040 or 7060. The steps and smaller steering wheel might be worth changing over to try.

I expect the 2-105 lands between the XT and 7040 as far as weight and engine size with three speeds shift on the go.

I think I saw a photo on this website of a D-17 with a 1033 wagon. My 1034 wagon manual calls for a 4 plow tractor minimum.

One thing about a 185 or 200 if you want something maneuverable I can't imagine a tractor that turns any shorter.  I'm sure there are some but as short as my 4020 turns the 185 I have is even better.  Shortest turning tractor I've ever ran.

Deere is a little quicker shifting forward to reverse but what your doing it going to be almost all forward. 

How hard is it to bale or run a wagon with a Power Director? I know on something like a 185, if I push the clutch to stop, the baler or wagon will just instantly shut off. I know you can "slip" the hand clutch to stop the tractor or creep, but is that hard on the tractor, or hard to run?

I pull my NH 315 square baler with a 90's era Ford 5610....2wd with canopy. It handles it fine, but is inferior in every way you can think of to our old 1964 JD 3020.

The reason I have a Ford is that who is available to me for parts. Dealership has 2 locations that are only 15 min away. Nearest AGCO 30 miles away.

If you want to save yourself a lot of problems, stick with a brand you can get parts for.

Tractor I use to rake and ted with is a D15.

I did see a 185 coming up for auction, but I haven't had a chance to call the auction house and ask anything about it:  https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/farm-equipment/auctions/online/198656963/1979-allis-chalmers-185" rel="nofollow - https://www.auctiontime.com/listings/farm-equipment/auctions/online/198656963/1979-allis-chalmers-185

Looks like a nice tractor, probably not used too much since it has the old style Goodyear tires on the back. Haven't seen a decent looking set of those in ages.

Going back to Dr. P's comment, what would be the equivalent of a 3020 in Allis speak? A 180??

I have no problem with a John Deere tractor, but they seem to bring such a price premium usually (Especially for a Powershift) that it's just not something I can afford now. If a syncro range 3020 came up for a good price though, I'd have no problems driving it. We're buying a tractor to help us make money, so as long as it can do that, it's a good tractor, right?

She looks pretty nice! What worries me is that the bid is already up to $1300. I have a feeling she's going to fetch a pretty penny. heck, there's a sweet looking 185 on BigIron, but it's already up to $6900!?

matador wrote: How did he rig up the three point? Cylinders to one of the remotes? Do you know his price and anything about the tractor?

Each side of the 3-point has a cylinder (2 total) connected to a T.  It is ran off one of the remotes, the other remote runs the snow blower snout.  It's my tractor, way bigger than I need for just a snow blower.  I picked it up from a friends dad after he retired, he's kinda lost his mind and don't know much about anything anymore.  I have pulled a field cultivator with it before I brought it home.  The blower is an International 80, it would come as a package deal.  I don't know a whole lot about it except I did a complete fluid and filter change on it and a new water pump.  Cab no heat/air, lights not hooked up, yet.  Send a message if your interested, I was thinking of putting it on Craig's list for $6500, don't really know what it's worth.

matador wrote: Do you know how to post pictures to threads?

I will take some pics of the tractor and 3-point when I get a chance.  Right now I'm in the middle of deer hunting, won't get much done til its done.  This snowblower goes from $1,500 to $2,500 depending on condition.  This one has some welding on it but otherwise is not in bad shape.  I understand not needing one there, wish I did not but I can't use it on my WD45, way too big.  That's why I'm saying a package deal.  If it were not for the snowblower, I'd take this 3-point off, I don't like how it's made.

Take a gander on fargo, nd's craig's list, I think I just saw a 7010 for $5k?  LOL, it's on grand forks c/l: http://grandforks.craigslist.org/grd/d/brooks-allis-chalmers/7230361970.html" rel="nofollow - http://grandforks.craigslist.org/grd/d/brooks-allis-chalmers/7230361970.html

Also on GFs: http://grandforks.craigslist.org/grd/d/thompson-d17-series-ii-diesel/7214576934.html" rel="nofollow - http://grandforks.craigslist.org/grd/d/thompson-d17-series-ii-diesel/7214576934.html

Here's a 190 on there:  http://fargo.craigslist.org/grd/d/allis-chalmers-190xt-tractor/7225980976.html" rel="nofollow - http://fargo.craigslist.org/grd/d/allis-chalmers-190xt-tractor/7225980976.html

These are a good bit from you but I thought I would just throw these out.  I honestly don't care if I sell this old gal or not, she looks good sitting here albeit not getting used.

Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's, the farm I worked on used a New Holland baler with a kicker.  Had three big wagons.  The D17 gas ran the baler and the guys wife did the baling.  She didn't give it a break, she pushed it right across the field.  The wagons were brought back to the barn with a WD45.  The only weight was the ballast in the rear tires.

I worked on another farm one year, and I hated it.  They baled with a IH560, an NH baler and me on the wagons stacking the bales.  The wife took the wagons back to the barn with the McCormick 300 or H Farmall.  She unloaded them onto a conveyor and they stacked themselves.  I didn't pay any attention but I think they were all gas.  I hate IH to this day!  But if you don't want Orange, I would recommend the IH.  The old ones, I'm not sure on these new Case.

Someday, someday....

Anyways, I'll have to check shipping from North Dakota- amazingly, it was pretty reasonable to get one shipped out here from the Omaha area. Out here, you just don't find much in the way of equipment at all. Whatever we end up with, the odds of it being trucked in from out of state are almost guaranteed

https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/1962OliverCheckerboard18002WDTractor" rel="nofollow - https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/1962OliverCheckerboard18002WDTractor

For $3500 plus the cost to get it trucked out here, how do you think we did?

I figured a little closure and Christmas spirit is in order. This is a video of my father seeing his Christmas gift for the first time:  https://streamable.com/7fetiw" rel="nofollow - https://streamable.com/7fetiw

The tractor itself isn't driveable now- the steering cylinder needs a rebuild, and I had to have the radiator soldered. But, we don't need it until Spring anyways, and seeing his smile makes it all worthwhile

Hopefully the mechanic finishes with the steering cylinder this week- would be nice to get the Oliver finished up this weekend. Not like we need it until March anyways, but still- I like things to be finished and in the yard, not sitting in the shop. 

We need snow badly out here- we got nothing all fall, so it's bone dry up here. This is one of those years that we could be baling straw on the first of January if we had any left to put up

One year I baled hay in January that I had cut in October just before a blizzard.  Still was green and the buyer's horses like it.  Looks like the entire west is going to have a dry winter, hopefully spring will bring some moisture, otherwise there won't be much hay to cut or grain to harvest.

BTW, that is one pretty Oliver you got, I hope it runs as good as it looks!

One of the problems for us running that 7040 on straw is that with two of us running at the same time, well.... it would be impossible to run one tractor. When we add a second bale wagon in a couple years, I'm hoping we find one with the cab controls. Sod Buster has the full in-cab control set listed at $1,750. Quite a chunk of money to spend, but on a 7000 series, you almost have to since the cab is so far forwards. It's nice for other jobs, but that tractor just doesn't like the bale wagon much. That's what stopped me from really looking at another 7000-series Allis. There were a couple nice 7000's on BigIron that I passed on. If it wasn't for the bale wagon, I'd have one of those in a heartbeat.

We ended up with an Oliver 1800A (This one to be more precise:  https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/1962OliverCheckerboard18002WDTractor" rel="nofollow - https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/1962OliverCheckerboard18002WDTractor ) . The neighbor and local mechanic both think the engine and transmission are in good shape. The steering cylinder was damaged, but we had a bit of an accident unloading it off the trailer. I think that made the problem a lot worse, but the mechanic thinks the tractor was like that before the auction. We'll never know, but it's not an expensive repair job at least. Some water is in the hydraulic oil, so that'll be flushed when we put the cylinder back in to make sure we're running clean oil. Other than that, it looks like the only issue will be tires, and I knew that going into the auction. I wish the seller would have saved the money he spent on decals and paint and bought some front tires for it or better used rears or something like that, but I can't complain. It's not like you should be getting stuck in the mud with a baler anyways. I'm hoping we can get a year or two from the Goodyears on the back. 

The good news is that everything looks in pretty good shape for the age. Running a baler and bale wagon should give this tractor a pretty easy life too. I wish it was an orange one, but you know what they say: The best tractor is the one that makes you money. If this one gives reliable service, I'll be more than happy with it

Last year I did manage to get stuck with the neighbor's bale wagon in their hay field. That field is such an alkali patch that everyone gets stuck at some point out there. They put rows in the field to irrigate it, and have never set a tube on the place. It's just that moist that the alfalfa just grows without it.

Though, in that situation, I don't think there's any tire that would have made a difference. They had to use their Caterpillar to pull it out

A self-propelled wagon would be so nice. Right now, the 1033 we're running is the neighbor's wagon. I'd be happy just to have one wagon that's ours right now. As we grow though, I don't see how we'd be without a self-propelled wagon for more than a few years. With our irrigation marks, grapples just don't work as nicely as they should. Everyone runs the New Holland wagons out here