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Topic: Cvt tractors
Posted By: farmboy520
Subject: Cvt tractors
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 8:08am
Has anyone drove the newer Agco's that have the cvt transmissions? I was wondering what you guys thought of them

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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)



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Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 2:59pm
We have a RT155A that we use on the 23 row planter and 90ft boom sprayer and have had no problems with the transmission, really a great tractor to drive.

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Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 3:37pm
We have a RT150 with the cvt. Great transmission. We plant and make hay with it, I'd love to have another one.

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Posted By: Alex (wi)
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 4:31pm
Last I knew, AGCO had the only clutch-less CVT. They also had the first and best. Heard it’s a 20,000 hour transmission. We had an AGCO RT120a when I worked for the university. It was easily the smoothest CVT, and we had all three major brands.


Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 8:52pm
Once you have one, you won't want anything else.


Posted By: ToddnwIl
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2020 at 9:34pm
We bought a massey two years ago.(wanted an orange one) Its awsome on the planter. You can set the rpm of the engine. As it needs more power to maintain its speed it will rev up and vice versa when going down hill.


Posted By: wayne IA
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 1:42am
I have a DT180A and love the CVT.  Nice in high speed to go down the road at 1500 rpm and 26 mph.  I like the ability to have the preset speeds for field work and planting too.


Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 6:52am
Thanks for all of your responses. My brother and I are looking to get a DT240A with a cvt and I was wondering about the experiences you've had. How different is it to drive than say a powershift transmission tractor or a regular gear drive tractor?

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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 7:20am
Man. . . lots more rich guys on here than I thought there was!


Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 7:24am
we have an RT100A  with the cvt and loader its our chore tractor / hay mover.   Best thing about cvt is pedal mode.  once you use one on a loader you will hate everything else

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Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 8:15am
I watched a video of a Deere guy talking about Deere's version of the CVT and he said you get far fewer hours off their transmission vs their standard Power Shift, something like half the hours. AGCO's must be pretty good to call it a 20,000 hour transmission.


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Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by farmboy520 farmboy520 wrote:

Thanks for all of your responses. My brother and I are looking to get a DT240A with a cvt and I was wondering about the experiences you've had. How different is it to drive than say a powershift transmission tractor or a regular gear drive tractor?


Farm boy, I’ve got a Dt240a with around 7000 hrs on it, put all but the first 400 on myself. It’s the primary tillage, planting, drilling tractor. Driving it is simple as can be. As noted above the Agco cvt is in a league of its own and it really shines on a loader or hay work or for that matter anytime start stop back forth or working in a small area is required. Dealer has sold tons and the only one replaced was do to pulling tractor with engine off(out of fuel do to hole in tank). If u have a list of questions I could maybe answer them. If I get time I could make a list of the good bad ugly for you of my tractor.

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"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin


Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 5:26pm
Fendt invented the CVT in circa 1968, it developed from a stick shift (you can still stick shift most of them in an emergency) today . But have they evloved!    There are 3 modes, drive by stick, pedal mode and forager mode.   stick mode drives like a powershift, pedal mode drives like an automatic pickup and forager mode uses a static engine rpm and the foot throttle now controls the cvt speed.  The CVT can also over drive - as stated above max the engine at only 14oo or so rpm and the tractor still runs full speed 26 to 35 mph depending on front end cofig.   Nice - everyone we have out is a love affair... The CVT is also sold to JCB ... due to a patented swing angle no one has or sells a lot of IVT or whatever the competition calls its. No one has the efficiency of the CVT either , not even close.   The Fendt technology was a great asset Agco acquired that is spread across many of its brands.  Now would that not be nice in a Grain hauling Semi ????  No more clutches or drive shaft snaps....
     


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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 7:06pm
Now if they could just make an orange tractor to put it in.

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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2


Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2020 at 8:53pm
The beauty of the pedal mode is when you let off the pedal it stops and it will set right there, no need for braking.  I've loaded trucks with my 545b on hills, terraces, even ditch sides and it is great, no clutch, no brake, just let of the pedal and sit right there.  The turbo clutch( I believe they call it) is great also when idol just hit the breaks and stop, no clutch or removing from gear.

Tbran, I believe the patent you speak of is the angle at which the hydraulic pump can run at?


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"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin


Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 10:29am
Kansas99 and others thank you for your insight. The purpose of the 240 would be our primary tillage tractor. We use our Agco Allis 9695 fwa now as our primary tillage tractor and looking to get something a little bigger and be more efficient.

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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)


Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 7:37pm
Tbone95, yeah really- someones spending Grandpas money ,, cant do it by theirselves,, lol,  


Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2020 at 8:37pm
Grandpa or my dad left me nothing. We own 800 acres 50 tractors and 10 Gleaners old and new debt free.Forty years of hard work and a lot of luck,plus working a off farm job for 32 years. Now I enjoy farming full time!

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B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more


Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 7:36am
I'm not rich either. We farm around 600 acres that is almost owned and both my brother and I have full time jobs off the farm. The money we are spending is our own. We've worked hard to get where we are. Our dad did help us while he was alive but we've made all of the equipment purchases from 2006 on.

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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 7:51am
Fellers, I was just joking, I'm sorry if I offended.

A CVT tractor is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of my league, and that's OK, that's just me. Am I jealous? Well, jealous is an ugly word, maybe "envious" is a little better.

In a touch of seriousness though, I follow the mantra that farming is an "asset rich - cash poor" endeavor. You say your aren't rich. But you own 800 acres in OH or 600 acres in IL. That's what, $3,00,000 ish? 150 hp CVT tractor (various models, various ages, averaging) is what, $75,000 or more? Storage, all your other implements, inventory on hand, a $1M dollar farm isn't hard to get to these days at all. If you had that in your hand, would you be rich?

*edit* I mistakenly left out a 0 in my land price earlier, sorry!


Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 10:18am
I was trying to not be upset as I know words without the voice behind them can be taken the wrong way. I was trying to give insight into my operation. The one thing I love about this site is that you get to see what everyone's opinions are and what their operations are. A CVT tractor might be out of my league also but going to still try and upgrade if it's in the cards. There was a land sale 2 mile from my house almost a month ago now for 158.8 acres. It sold for $11,500 an acre! I can't afford that.

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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 10:55am
It's cool farmboy, I was just making sure!

Also, I just edited my post above, I completely mistakenly left off a 0 and comma on the land value. Makes my point even more so.

Good luck on your hunt for a tractor. I wish you well. I would also love to upgrade tractors. Got offered to rent more land in the 2022 crop season. Sigh....the ol' 7045 is my "big" unit. It's good, but MFWD and working A/C would sure be nice if I get serious about this farm thing after all this time!


Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 11:24am
I keep my eye out for us to get more land so maybe I could quit my full time fertilizer plant job and farm full time but no luck so far. Good luck Craig with your 7045. They are a good tractor but the newer ones are nicer to extent.

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On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's)


Posted By: Sherman Farms
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 4:11pm
No offense taken we were lucky to purchase must of the ground in the late 70s and early 80s when land was a lot cheaper, had to get a job to keep things going during the farm crisis of the 80s.  I know starting from nothing today would be a great challenge. With the farms paid for we can spend the money that goes for land payments and cash rent on machinery updates. Farming is not  a get rich quick program. I admire every farmer who struggles to make ends meet.

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B, C, RC, 3 wc,2 wd,3 wd45, d15, d17, d19, d21, 190, 440, 7040, 918 backhoe, 12 roto balers, 7 60 combines, 40, 66,2 72,90 super, sp100, Gleaner E, F3, 3 L2, R62, and much more


Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 7:05pm
I'm jealous lol, I'd like to get one some day.

So question, sounds like easy operation. This probably would be the best for someone that can't use legs. I use ether bar stock welded or bolted, set of bumper polls or a pipe wrench on pedals of tractors now. But sounds like you don't need to use much of pedals.


Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 8:40pm
Sounds like a CVT tractor would be the cat's meow for you Mike

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Posted By: wayne IA
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 8:52pm
Mikez, with the CVT like on my DT180A you really don't use the clutch once you get used to it.  The shuttle shift is on the left side of the steering wheel for forward/reverse and also has the park switch on it.  That lever can also be held up by hand to work like a clutch too and can adjust your speed off that lever or the lever on the right armrest.  I do use the brakes to help slow down when traveling down the road, but with a longer slowdown time you can get by without the brakes too.  A couple friends have ran the tractor to help with filling silo (I put it on the haybine since that is the only spare tractor I have, and I have the autosteer setup for the hyrdo-swing to make driving easier too for the help).  When I have others running the tractor I put the preset engage speed to 0 so when you select forward or reverse the tractor doesn't move until you move one of the levers to advance the tractor speed.


Posted By: tornado8070
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2020 at 9:56pm
Have 3 of them. Best thing since canned beer. Efficient and reliable!

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09’ DT205B, 08’ DT220A, 83' 8070 MFWD, 83’ 8070 85’ 8050 MFWD, 83' 8030, 82' 8010, 85’ 6080 MFWD, 84’ 6080, 79' 7020, 85' M3 RWD, 85' 920 diesel,AC C-50 forklift.


Posted By: WillB
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 9:46am
Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

I watched a video of a Deere guy talking about Deere's version of the CVT and he said you get far fewer hours off their transmission vs their standard Power Shift, something like half the hours. AGCO's must be pretty good to call it a 20,000 hour transmission.

The AGCO Fendt CVT is the only clutchless CVT/IVT on the market.  The Deere and all others use clutch packs.

The AGCO unit also has a seperate oil reservoir for the trans, and one for tractor hydraulics.

JD used a common reservoir, not sure if they wised up and added a trans only fluid tank.



Posted By: tornado8070
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 11:55am
Neighbor just stuck $28000 in his 8530 Deere IVT with 4800 hrs. He is not a guy to abuse equip either.
I spent 25 hours in when it was new. Was hard to get used to it.

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09’ DT205B, 08’ DT220A, 83' 8070 MFWD, 83’ 8070 85’ 8050 MFWD, 83' 8030, 82' 8010, 85’ 6080 MFWD, 84’ 6080, 79' 7020, 85' M3 RWD, 85' 920 diesel,AC C-50 forklift.


Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 8:06pm
WillB welcome to the forum, what orange story do you have. Maybe start a new post and share with us your orange.


Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2020 at 11:03pm
Farmboy, I found life is way to short to pay any attention to those who have animosity toward you or someone else, envy and jealousy usually lead people to this.  I hope you succeed in finding more land and are able to farm full time if that is your goal in life, in fact I hope you become filthy rich doing so and everyone else that wants to succeed and become rich doing what ever their goal in life is achieve as well.  Farming is not a job it is a way of life,  there is no 8-5 it's just a matter of when something has to be done it doesn't matter what time or day or holiday it is,  it just has to be done!  Working a job and farming land is something to commend for everybody that does it, in fact that is how I started farming myself.  Over the years I have learned if your going to get where you want to go you have to take risks, and if buying a bigger tractor, renting land, or buying land is the risk you have to take then go for it.  You like me owe nothing to anybody for where you are and it is yours to loose if the risks don't pan out, so pay no attention to what anyone says it's your decision that matters.  One thing I've noticed is all the people that say I can't afford this or that, but if you say it long enough time and inflation pass you by and you will never afford anything in the end, so in farming or any business for that matter, you have to be willing to spend money to make money.  Yes borrowing money has it's risks but to get ahead you will never have a choice and in the end does it really matter? life is one big risk to start with.


Now that I'm at home on the old puter instead of my phone in the tractor let me get to the good, bad, ugly on a 240A, sorry for the rant. Wink

The ugly first, I would call this the AGCO screwed the pooch category.  Before I start my 240A is a 2008 tier 3( last year they were made)

First off the A/C, which I have the whatever they call it(select your cab temp fancy option one) and while it is nice in the spring or early summer when temperatures are from 40 in morning to 85 in afternoon it is great just set it at 70 and you don't notice that anything every changed.  However when it's middle summer and you are getting a steady 8+ hours of 95-110 it leaves something to be desired.  You will have a fan that is blowing wide open and making more noise than you could every get out of a 7080 Allis  and when the sun breaks over and comes in the window it will just keep you from maybe not sweating.  During the summer I shut off the heater valve which has helped some, but it is still nothing like say a 1976 7080 that would freeze you out of the cab.  That being said I have a 545B Challenger that has the exact cab but the A/C is just like the older tractors, with the old crank up or down knob and it will flat freeze you out, the fan has 5 settings and the second one is as high as I have ever had to run it, so if I was looking at one I think I would want to find one without the auto-temp control for sure.

Next, is the cab suspension, it is a air system with the compressor shoved up under the cab floor that you have to take the wheels off and jack the side of the cab up to get to when it causes trouble, and it causes trouble believe me.  Mine was a late one that had the air filter from the factory that was to stop failing compressors and it doesn't matter went out 2 or 3 times in 5000 hours(unacceptable) However I found after the last time it quit that there is a simple solution just get air line compression fittings, air line, a tee, and a schrader valve and bypass all the compressor, accumulator, and other garbage and just put a little air in the bags a few times a year, forget the soft ride/hard ride crap as it will be expensive keeping it working just put what ever amount in your happy with and be done.

Then we get to the motor fan belt, I'm not sure if this is a tier 3 thing as some were tier 2 but the tension pulley spring is about half the tension that the belt needs.  They have a wide belt (8 grove I believe) but when you can literally pull the tension pulley off by hand there is no way it will every hold the belt from slipping the minute it has any wear, it's tight enough to run the fan but when the A/C kicks on and the fan clutch engages or you are running at night with lights you better have a new belt.  Agco knows this is a problem because they updated the belt, yep that's right made it slightly shorter but failed miserably because all it needed was a stouter spring on the tension pulley, and yes I changed the spring thinking it was bad, nope new one just as bad as the old, but Agco saved money not updating the spring.  Now as long as you change your fan belt every couple oil changes it will be fine but don't expect to get 1000 hrs out of a belt.

Next and this probably won't affect you but the screen on the hood is worthless when you are planting in no-till wheat stubble that is a year old.  That rotten grey fuzz gets right through and will plug the air to air cooler and cause the engine to derate when the intake temp is to high, no big you just shut down and clean the fuzz off and then back you go, but really for what this cost get the hood and screen tight so this doesn't happen,  if it plugs the screen you shut down and clean it, not open the hood move radiators around and such to get it out, come on Agco!  Oh, but I've gotten pretty good at this because the A/C works slightly worse than normal and that's the sign to shut down and clean fuzz before it derates.Wink

Then there is the auto steer ready thingy,  I believe that 2008 maybe is the only year they put it in and it was when Agco was trying to play with Outback and to just shorten up here forget it if you got it, just get whatever you want, your only out a wheel angle sensor and steering valve.

Ok now the bad, I would classify this as problems that all tractors have but have happened to mine in 7000 hours, and I will just make a list here so:

A/C Compressor(yep damn A/CLOL)
2- Starters
1- Alternator
Twice I replace transmission speed sensors(takes 2)  oh I must add here that the last time they went out I was going down the road at 33 mph with a 33' Lazer Plow and it wouldn't slow down, step in clutch did nothing, put shifter in neutral did nothing and I had a t-intersection with the highway a mile in front of me, the situation could have ended bad but in the calm minute I realized that I could drop her to a idol and hold the brake and she would stop, (thank you turbo clutch!) I actually made it in the field shut it off started it up and it took off normal and about 2 minutes into field work at 6mph I was locked into 6mph, I did the right thing and finished the field before I fixed the tractor. Wink
Hydraulic Quick couplers(just one or 2 but freakish deal)
2 engine injectors
fan clutch
electric fuel pump
Both front planetary(seals went out, they told me it was because I had front duels, but that's bs it just happens to front wheel asssists)
Rear engine main seal(split tractor)
Left rear planetary seal
Bearing on output shaft from tranny going to front axle(split the tractor)
Water pump(be sure if you get one that weep hole is cleaned out or it will put water in your oil when it gets bad)
A/C Blower Fan motor(yep damn A/C crap again)

Maybe a handful of other sensors that I'm forgeting but other than that just pretty much general service items, setting overheads,  etc. and no I don't count fan belts as a general service item on this tractor, there is a engineer at Agco that needs kicked square in the, never mind.

I should add that for as bad as this all looks, splitting the tractor twice and the injectors were probably the worst, obviously.

Now the good or things you will like, no not the A/CBig smile

Obviously the transmission is second to none, and once you get used to how it works and all the extra functions it comes with you will never want another transmission in a tractor.

The engine management software will help fuel economy while tilling or any heavy load thanks to the unlimited speed range of the tranny.

The iso bus ready feature is excellent, you can just plug equipment into the tractor(planter, drill, baler, anything that needs a monitor) and the monitor will be displayed automatically on the tractor monitor, double tap the esc button and you can go back and forth from the tractor to the implement. No more dragging monitors around.

The engine is very quite and has plenty of power to respond when in hard pulling situations, and is pretty easy on fuel.  I would add here if you have a tier 3 engine plan on changing oil every 100-150 hours at the most as the emissions garbage makes the oil black instantly.  In all I'm very impressed with this engine, just run the overheads ever 2500 hours and make sure that the water pump weep hole is clean.Wink

The headland management on this tractor is a great feature, when you get to the end of the field tap one button and let it do it's thing, then turn around and tap the button again and off you go, I absolutely love this feature. It seems overwhelming when you first try to figure out how to programm it but it is not.  For example I have a 8516 White planter, that is plugged into the tractor so it uses the iso bus, thats great, then I run the headland stuff.(don't need iso bus to use headland)  I have it programed so when I get to the end of the field I tap the button it starts by lifting the marker, then slows the tractor down, then raises the planter and after you make the turn you tap it again and it will lower planter, put the marker out(which I have it set so it switches to float so many seconds into it because it stops the jerking on the last section of the marker), then after a time delay to insure the planter is down the tractor takes back off at field speed.  This might have been the first tractor to have this but everyone else has followed suit, it is a great feature.

The turbo clutch(transmission again) makes moving close to things a easy task or hooking up implements.  At a idol with the tractor moving you can just simply press the brakes down and it stops then release and it will move again.

Front axle suspension is nice and does help the ride(a little) but I wouldn't hesitate if it only had a straight front axle, it's not that big of a deal.

The little joystick/ ball thingy for 2 hydraulics is excellent, I don't understand why this isn't still on the new tractors.  3rd function on it as well for a loader, just great on the loader tractors.

The monitor will accept a ag cam and can be set in several different modes for viewing.  (Ex.) I put NH3 on with my planter and it is a central fill planter so backing up to a tank that you can't see is a little dicey.  I mounted a camera and plugged it into the monitor and set it so whenever I put the tractor into reverse my monitor switches to the camera and I can see behind the seed tank to hook up a NH3 tank, just works slick.

The cruise controls are great.

The preset engine speeds are nice, the tractors actually have a throttle lever in them but I couldn't tell you if mine works, I'm not sure I ever used it.



All in all would I buy another one, well yes I probably would, I think the benefits of the tractor compared to what I had before out way the trouble I've had.  Of course that being said I will buy anything if the price is right. Wink  Well I have to draw a line when it comes to a combine it's going to be a Gleaner price be damned, they are second to none in small grains. Big smile



I edited this to say holy shi$ no wonder I was typing for 1 hour, jeez this took awhile, guess since my mother was a typing teacher I should have had her teach me typing, that's probably where I made my first mistake.  Sorry for the type O's. LOL



 











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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 10:18am
Kudos to you Kansas. I like your style and attitude. It is aggravating to put up with bad engineering but hey!


Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2020 at 11:02pm
What does the LT90A have for tranny


Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 10:43am
I’ve tried to list all the different AGCO brand tractors which contain a CVT transmission. The “x” denotes different model number configurations(ie RT100A, RT110A, etc). Did I miss any?

AGCO DTxxxA (PowerMaxCVT),
AGCO DTxxxB (PowerMaxCVT),
AGCO RTxxxA (PowerMaxCVT),

Fendt 1100 Vario MT (VarioDrive),
Fendt 300 Vario (2022 release?)

Massey 67xxS (Dyna-VT)
Massey 87xxS (Dyna-VT),

Challenger MT6xxB-E(TechStar),



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