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6 to 12 volt conversion ?

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Topic: 6 to 12 volt conversion ?

Posted By: Larry Miller
Subject: 6 to 12 volt conversion ?
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:32pm

Little confused on the 12 volt coil w internal resistor. Why do you need a resistor if you have 12 volt battery w 12 volt coil?

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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:41pm

12 volt coils were made with and without resistors. The early chevys had two wires going to the coil. One wire came from the terminal of the starter cap 12 volts hot to the coil boosted spark for starting the other wire came from the ignition switch had a resistor in the wire dropped to about 9 volts for continuous run if you ran that (12 volt coil) without a resistor the coil would burn your points to a crisp

Posted By: ac45dave
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 9:49pm

As long as your coil is 3 ohms across the primary terminals no ballast resistor is needed on the 12v system for a 4 cylinder application.Some 12v coils were internally resisted and some were not.Check your primary resistance.

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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:20am

Ballast resistors didn't work under the hoods of 60's Automobiles, never mind out in the elements on a Tractor. A 4 cylinder on 12V's needs 2.7-3.3 ohms of resistance in the ignition circuit in order to run correctly. Using an internal resisted 12V/3.0 Ohm Coil on your conversion keeps Mother Nature from messing with it. External Ballast reistors play havoc in high humidity area's as well as on rainy days. Engine missing, no starts, etc. are all part of the havoc Mother Nature plays with an external ballast resistor. HTH

Steve@B&B

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Posted By: Larry Miller
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 7:39am

OK, so changing a WD 45 from 6 to 12, I want a 12 v coil w internal resistor - that right?

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I used to be young and stupid, now I am not young anymore.

Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 8:00am

re: I want a 12 v coil w internal resistor - that right?

that'll work fine, just be sure to remove the exiting ballast resistor !

'old skool' ballast reistors did tend to fail, due to the ceramic casing.

I've used Vishay Dale chassis mount resistors for decades with zero failures. These are neat ORANGE anaodized aluminum cases with the resistor inside. totally sealed, solder lugs on the ends, 2 offset small mounting holes. On the D14 I sold, I had a 50Watt version hangin between the coil and dist. They also have a 100W version.

As long as you limit current to about 4 amps, you'll be fine.

Jay

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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 9:19am

As Steve said....check primary (the + and - terminals on the coil) winding of your 12v coil. Resistance between those terminals needs to measure about 3 ohms for the WD45 (4 cylinder engine). If it doesn't, go to your favorite auto parts store armed with your ohmmeter and find one that meets the 3 ohm spec. Discard any external resistor.

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