Electric governor help needed!
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Topic: Electric governor help needed!
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Subject: Electric governor help needed!
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 2:41pm
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My mower, Jacobsen 445G turfcat, has a failed digital governor control on it. Made by Barber-Colman, now out of business. Jacobsen doesn't offer it anymore. Can't find one in a boneyard. Throttle by wire. Has a 4 cylinder in line gas 28 hp engine in it. Engine and mower have about 600 hours total. Is there anyone familiar with the Ford Industrial engines with this type governor control. The governor manufacturers are of little to no help. Hard to believe the three largest governor makers were all in the same town in Illinois. Need help bad on this. Thanks Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 4:59pm
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Tracy, im no expert on the subject, but did some of this years ago... You have a input from the motor, to the box... you set some parameters, then you get an output back to the motor.. Im not sure it has to be a "special" box for that motor.. It just has to have the correct output signals........... I looked on AMAZON and there are a dozen companies that make " electronic governors" for small motors... I would contact one of these guys to additional info.. Dont think it matters if it is one cylinder or 4 cylinder.. You get a PULSE from one cylinder every rotation... https://www.amazon.com/FridayParts-Governor-Controller-EFC3062322-Generator/dp/B07N7CV4JS?ref_=s9_apbd_omwf_hd_bw_b13zT9&pf_rd_r=N8WG70XZ3230ZXN8V4NV&pf_rd_p=c7dbfd70-69c0-51f3-9278-6158d80ca1bb&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=15727611" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/FridayParts-Governor-Controller-EFC3062322-Generator/dp/B07N7CV4JS?ref_=s9_apbd_omwf_hd_bw_b13zT9&pf_rd_r=N8WG70XZ3230ZXN8V4NV&pf_rd_p=c7dbfd70-69c0-51f3-9278-6158d80ca1bb&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=15727611  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 5:10pm
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direct link to dealer.... https://www.fridayparts.com/governor-speed-control-esc3500-esd2500-esc2500-for-cummins-barber-colman-woodward" rel="nofollow - https://www.fridayparts.com/governor-speed-control-esc3500-esd2500-esc2500-for-cummins-barber-colman-woodward ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 8:43pm
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Steve, I will look into them. I have found a company that thinks they have one that will work. It is for a linear actuator, mine has a rotary actuator. You would think some of these guys would know for sure. One company has one but it only will have low idle, high idle and two discreet speeds. No one has one that will actually govern at any speed between low and high idle. I been working on this for a month now. Thanks Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 8:54pm
You might be able to go back to an older mechanical governor, from an older ford engine, of the same displacement, the motors, themselves didn't change much, if its the same series of motors, as were used in ford tractors...
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 9:20pm
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Tracy. "MOST" of the governors are made for Generator sets, thats why it has high idle and low idle... Not too many gen sets need to run at half speed........ I would think there were a couple of the governors that had more than 2 set points... Even 3-4 would be nice... dont have to be variable / multi.. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 9:53pm
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Dave, this is a distributorless engine. I had thought of a belt driven governor, but it still has to get the spark for ignition. Wasn't sure how to get it. Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 9:56pm
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Steve, I really wanted an infinite speed instead of having just 3 or 4 speeds. I wish someone offered to infinite speed with the drive by wire. Thanks Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 8:54pm
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Spent most of the day looking for a replacement. No luck. Most manufactures don't even bother with customer service.You wood think someone would have the knowledge to modify or build one new. It being on a Ford industrial engine, they made thousands of. Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 9:04pm
Does the EI go into where the distributor would be? If so, swapping back to a distributer may still be possible...
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Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 10:33pm
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Dave, not sure about that. I did look it over pretty good about adding a mechanical governor. Not sure there is room. I would of thought that it would have been an option on this engine. They were used in skid steers, floor sweepers and lift trucks. Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 5:24am
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Post as much info, on the motor(mod, serial#'s), and somebody may know. Also, check out ford forums, someone there should have thought of doing this... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 10:15am
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Would need as many 'part numbers' as you can post...electronic guvs are very simple to build and program once 'the specs' are known. About $20 worth of parts 'under the hood' and about 40 lines of code. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 11:59am
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Ford engine, serial# 28689 S-14-RK, model VSG-4111-6007-B, model code P938F-6005-AD, Zenith actuator 370-4. Thanks tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 7:28pm
A thought occurs to me... Since this is a 29 hp motor, it is also used in some other compact equipment. There is a guy in shippensburg, PA who specializes in compact equipment, maybe he can steer you to a boneyard, that might have what you're looking for.. https://www.compactractorparts.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.compactractorparts.com/ ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Tracy Martin TN wrote:Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 8:30pm
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Dave, I will give him a shout. Thanks Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 9:30pm
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might try these guys also https://www.foleyengines.com/products/mechanical-electronic-governors/electronic-governors/" rel="nofollow - https://www.foleyengines.com/products/mechanical-electronic-governors/electronic-governors/ https://www.foleyengines.com/products/" rel="nofollow - https://www.foleyengines.com/products/
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Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 8:11am
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Steve, I talked to Foley engines. I talked to Dr. Foley himself. Rudest bastard I have ever talked with on a phone.Such an asshole, i won't deal with them, ever. Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 9:11am
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OOOOOOOOOOOPS... i dont know them.... THey just do a lot of advertising and make it sound good !! Too bad for them... If you dont HELP people, you dont last long. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 07 May 2020 at 1:22pm
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Steve, they been in business 97 years or so. I can bet he has not been at the wheel long, or never meets the public! Tracy ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |