210 ac plow size
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Topic: 210 ac plow size
Posted By: Navyrunfm
Subject: 210 ac plow size
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 7:08pm
Anyone have opinion on number of bottoms and size moldboards be good fit for a 210 ?
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 7:13pm
From what I recall, 6-18 might be a "cake-walk" with it depending on soil type :-)
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 8:28pm
Lot of variables. Stock hp or turned up? Soil type for sure. My 220 (170hp) pulled neighbors 720 IH 6-16 on land plow well in 5th but clay spots gave it all it wanted. 4th would make it easier.
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Posted By: Navyrunfm
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 10:05pm
Stock hp, and I'm in pa on hilly ground (not really steep hills but rolling knolls) pure gravel ground
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Posted By: Navyrunfm
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 10:23pm
Also while I'm asking bout power for implements, planning to buy new holland 2 row chopper (always been around new Hollands and had good luck) wondering wat number chopper would fit this tractor well.
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 10:57pm
Older NH choppers would be 892 or a 900 And plow would be either 5 16s or 18s.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:22am
Allis-Chalmers rated the D-21 S2 at 7 bottoms and 18 inch bottoms didn't exist at that time. The 220 was rated at 8 bottoms. So, you decide. The 210 was only 5 less HP than a D-21 S2. I have literature for the 210 and AC never gave it a plow bottom rating. The 220 @ 135 HP with 8 bottoms is 16.9 HP per bottom. 16.9 HP per bottom x 7 bottoms is 118 HP and a 210 was 122 HP. Your results may vary.
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Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:18am
When my Dad and Uncle sold them, the Two-Tens and Two-Twentys were usually sold with 6-16" plows. I think they were #2000 Mono-frame plows. Not entirely sure about the plow number. But, our customer base had a wide range of soil types. From easy plowing sandy loams to hard-pan clay.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 11:44am
Back in those days, they always over sold plow size in my opinion. They weighted them down and cranked up the fuel just so they could pull them. I always like pulling smaller implements faster, it's so much easier on parts. I just cringe when I think of pulling the guts out of a tractor all day long lol! To me a great match for a stock or even tuned up D21/210/220 is a 5 bottom, either 16 or 18". I've got vids from pulling my IH 540 or 550 5X16 plow with my 210 when it was making about 400hp. That was a lot of fun! Again, just my opinion, it's worth just what you paid for it lmfao!
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 1:01pm
I’m with Ed. 5-16’s will be a good match. You can go in a faster gear when you can, have something in reserve when you need it, shift down when you really need it. And cover the whole field instead of leaving behind problem areas. At the end of the day have as much or more done and take it easier on things.
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Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 2:20pm
It would be fun to see those videos, Ed...
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 3:27pm
Id put a 5-16 plow behind it , no reason to pull the guts out out it, espesally with the profit margin
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Posted By: JimWenigOH
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 4:51pm
I'd buy my 2000 Series, 6 x 16 plow that I sent you a PM about this morning, hook it up to your 210, take some photos to share with all of us here on the Forum, back it in the barn and then go no-till.
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Posted By: bleeds orange
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 5:10pm
Lol your not a very good salesman jim.
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Posted By: Navyrunfm
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 5:30pm
Thank you very much everyone for replies. Appreciate it! Lol like the no till comment. I can count on one hand number of guys in my county still moldboarding. It's lost thing. I'm just hobbying on dad's old farm on the side and wanna have some fun working the old tractor and just do things old school to get my neighbors talkin. Plus if it's a hobby I'm just throwin money away so why not have fun doin it and turn some dirt and blow some smoke lol
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 6:48pm
DanWi wrote:
Older NH choppers would be 892 or a 900 And plow would be either 5 16s or 18s. | WOW!!, We pulled a 5/16 White plow 7" deep in pretty heavy clay with a stock XT 190 Diesel with minimal issues until the "1" clay knoll that would have the front end 8-12" off the ground. Surprised that you think a 210 is in the same category?? I will look into the tractor data site tonight for comparisons ??
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:26pm
XT-8000#'s (on the heavy side) and 80 drawbar HP; 210-12,500#'s(on the light side) and105 draw bar HP
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Posted By: Amos
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 7:43pm
8-16 monoframe on land hitch dual 18.4 x 38 5th gear in cornstalks 4th gear in alfalfa, carries front wheels in alfalfa. You don't want to go fast with those plows they do a terrible job over 4.5 mph. Sandly loam soil. Did that all through the 1970s and early 1980s...every year
6-16 in furrow with my 200, when i plow up alfalfa now
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:31pm
Moldboard plowing is/was generally a pretty slow speed operation. A-C plow bottoms weren't "high-speed" bottoms and did their best under 4.5 MPH actual speed. If you think about a mighty One-Ninety XT or 200 in high second (4th speed) that was just 5 MPH @ full throttle no load. Add at least 10% wheel slippage (or more in most cases) and an engine getting pulled down some, and your actual speed was closer to 4 MPH max. Trying to pull those plows faster than that exponentially takes MORE HP !! because of the curvature of the moldboards. I love those who brag about plowing with a WD45 in 3rd gear !! The only way that could ever happen where I grew up was with 14 inch bottoms, no more than 5 inches deep in soybean stubble, not alfalfa sod !! Those who claim to do that would be embarrassed to come to our farm and see how third gear (with a STOCK WD45 mind you) isn't even a possibility. Same goes for the bigger diesel tractors.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:40pm
To those "in-the-know", where does the extra 4000 #'s come from between an XT 190 and a 210? My findings previously came from Tractor Data specs.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:52pm
D-21's, 210's and 220's are "big frame" tractors and are over 100 PTO and drawbar HP and were category #3 three-point hitches. A 190XT came from the D-19, which is a much smaller and lighter tractor chassis with a category #2 three-point hitch.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2020 at 8:56pm
If you had the 2 side by side you'd see it. A 190 looks like a toy against my 220. Bigger housings,bigger everything.
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 10:00pm
Dr is right we have those kind of soils around we had to have the fronts filled with fluid and extra weights. Good plow shares to even get the plow in the ground sometimes. This is on sod ground or ground that was packed chopping corn silage. Alot of those problems were worst years ago when ground was tilled and we destroyed organic matter. Now we notill or minimum till. So if you have tough soils why pull the guts out of a 50 year old tractor unless you are just plowing a few acres for fun and want to see what it will do. Around here a 4 16 or 18 is a good fit behind a 190 or 200. I agree there is ground where you can add 2 bottoms to my recommendations all you need is traction.
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Posted By: soggybottomboy
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 11:53pm
You need a fwa tractor to pull anything bigger than 6/16s imho.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 7:15am
We always pulled 6 x 16's on-land 3000 series AC plow with 7030/7050 and no front wheel drive. Could have easily pulled 7 bottoms but we didn't plow all that many acres at that time in history.
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Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 8:22am
We had a 210 and a 3000 series 7-16's, on land hitch. I don't remember if the tractor was turned up or not, did have two donut weights on each side, but not sure about fluid in the tires. Tractor is gone, but still have the plow, need the front and rear axle boot for it, and it would be a decent usable plow again.
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Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:15am
Our 220 played with a 6 bottom 9000 plow. I have forgotten how to make a video open here but here is a YouTube link of it throttled back in 5th following the D19 https://youtu.be/zSpWeKQxKc8" rel="nofollow - 220 plowing
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:43am
DCAC wrote:
It would be fun to see those videos, Ed... |
I just found 2 of them when went to you tube to watch Butchoh vids. Just put allis 210 plowing in search bar, and 2 of my old vids came up lol!
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: only AC orange
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 11:44am
Pulling a 6 X 16 9000 series on land with series II D-21, 4th gear, 8" deep. Hard clay and black jackwax soil. Will carry front end in compacted soil - 2 donut weights and 24.5's half full of fluid and front donut weights from "F" combine.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 1:04pm
Butch(OH) wrote:
Our 220 played with a 6 bottom 9000 plow. I have forgotten how to make a video open here but here is a YouTube link of it throttled back in 5th following the D19 https://youtu.be/zSpWeKQxKc8" rel="nofollow - 220 plowing |
Nice. I always liked plowing, and I still plow some. Maybe that soil is a whole lot harder than it looks, but to me, I see flat ground, corn ground, that was probably tilled the year prior......It should plow like that! Now, go uphill a clay knoll, nice 5 year stand of alfalfa, when it's good and dry and hot, and that clay comes off in slices......So many variables..... A plow isn't a plow, land isn't land, conditions aren't a set of conditions, a tire isn't a tire, and even a tractor isn't a tractor. I say, start "small" with a plow, and if after a lot of experience on all of your conditions it goes super easy, go ahead and size up. And then on a wet year or tough year, you have a smaller plow you can go to.
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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 1:35pm
On our black gumbo 5-18s were max for 7060-8050.
------------- 2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040 R50
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Posted By: R Albart
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 9:27pm
We have three Allis-Chalmers 9000 plows FS. Two 6 bottoms on-land/furrow field ready. One 7 bottom on-land/furrow restored. Ron Albart 314-520-4248
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Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2020 at 9:56pm
Do you have any parts for a 3000 monoframe for sale?
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Posted By: R Albart
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 8:17am
What Plow parts are you looking for?
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Posted By: DCAC
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 8:30am
The front and rear 'axle boots', the castings that the front and rear wheels pivot in. And the disc for the furrow wheel brake.
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Posted By: R Albart
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 5:35pm
We have three Allis-Chalmers 9000 plows F S. Two 6 bottoms on-land/furrow hitch, field ready. One 7 bottom on-land/furrow hitch restored. Ron Albart 314-520-4248 mailto:ralbart@windstream.net" rel="nofollow - ralbart@windstream.net
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 7:37pm
How did this post turn into a classified ad ??
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 7:49pm
It's a natural progression. Are you that sensitive?
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 7:58pm
???? Never put a connection to a 210 tractor and a 7000 series plow up for sale ??!! Is it you or your kids plow for sale ?
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Posted By: R Albart
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 11:45am
A C Plow parts, contact Dave the plow man. mailto:dave%40davetheplowman.com
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Posted By: soggybottomboy
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2020 at 10:19am
Sorry for the late post. I remember going to a farm progress show back when they still did moldboard plowing. A-C was pulling 6/18s with a7030 and 7/18s with a 7050. They were plowing deeper than any of the others, probably 10 or 11 inches deep. It had rained a tenth or so during the night, and the slippage on 7050 was at least 50%. The 7030, not so bad. Wish they still did that. If you are just plowing a small acreage for the fun, get a big plow. that would be a thrill to do again. But when you start to have substantial wheel slip,you might not think it makes much difference. It makes a huge difference. A person starts to realize how much it slows things down when you plow 80 or 160 acres. I still own an international 735 6 bottom variwidth moldboard plow. it is adjustable to cut from 14 to 22 inches. I pulled it with my 8050 fwa. In our soil, having the plow set on 18" was about right if you wanted to go in 4th low range and still have a little power reserved for going up a hill that was not to steep. Having the plow set to 22" was a full load on the level in 4th. Always ran in 3rd with it set on 22". The fwa really helped then. Don't do any plowing anymore, but i just can't bear to part with those pieces of machinery.
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