Oil filter
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Topic: Oil filter
Posted By: barky
Subject: Oil filter
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 10:22am
| Can someone tell me the correct number for a Fram oil filter for a Wd 45 |
Replies:
Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2010 at 11:01am
| C159 |
Posted By: barky
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:19pm
| Thanks |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 7:50pm
| If I remember right I keep reading posts that Fram filters aint all that. Can anyone respond, maybe Im wrong. Ryan |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 7:58pm
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frams are not good filters even though they have caused few problems, the quality just isn't there. you would be better served getting a Wix 57011 or do like I do and just get an AGCO #70240912V filter from the dealer. be careful to look at the bottom of the filter as the new style bypass filters from NAPA and the like result in lower oil pressure. (see Tony's picture below). I will say no more as the oil filter debates tend to get a little heated LOL  ------------- 1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 8:44am
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Fram filters are junk. Cut some apart and compare to a champion made or wix made filter and see the difference. There is a reason no OEM will let them make filters for them. Bill The 7011 napa filter is changed and the rubber disk/left filter is no longer produced and if I remember correctly carried a part number of 1011. The last time I bought a napa filter however it was 19 dollars, just 3 weeks ago. Tony has them listed at 10 dollars. I need to place an order for a dozen or so. |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 8:47am
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After the NAPA/WIX fiasco, most of my customers wouldn't take a free NAPA/WIX filter. We have sold the Hastings for 10 years and have been very happy with them ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 9:22am
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If the Fram C159 is still stuffed with cloth, its drastically different from their crap full flow pleated paper filters. The AC engines with bypass filters depend on a lot of flow resistance in the bypass filter to hold up oil pressure, and a pleated paper filter won't do that. Only the cloth stuffed filter has proven to do that. Gerald J. |
Posted By: bigfish_Oh
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 11:36am
new Fram ------------- 1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p. 1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
Posted By: firebrick43
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 11:56am
| Big fish, please tell me you added all of the chaff for S$#t's and giggles? Wow if you didn't. Did they even run the cotton through the gin? (I don't know much about cotton processing) or just take picked cotton right out of the field? |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 11:58am
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Nope, that's the way they are inside. Hulls and all!
JimD ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 1:35pm
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http://www.fram.com/pdf/Fram_HP_Product_Specs.pdf - http://www.fram.com/pdf/Fram_HP_Product_Specs.pdf this is the filter i use with the d17 or egleanor oil filter housing. the ph8a filter is recomended for the d17 and 175 226 gas engines as you can see in the link the hp1 will interchange. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Dave Everett
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 1:59pm
| Use a Baldwin T300M, best you can get, not the cheapest either.......or a fleetguard LF571 as a secong choice......... |
Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 2:18pm
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I always use Purolator!!
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 5:20pm
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Some D17 use the low pressure bypass filter and some use the full flow PH8. They are not interchangeable. Gerald J. |
Posted By: kendak
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2010 at 5:51pm
| the AC brand [bought from Sandy lake] Balwin & Purolator are also full of rice husk & whats called cotton mote...or trash as we call it here in cotton country ...my Dad owned a rice mill in the 60's & I can tell you rice husk will NOT absorb anything...they are there just to take up space ...kinda got to me when I cut open the Agco filter [after I blew my puller engine] & found husk in it....these are built like fuel-oil filters not engine oil filters |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 7:31am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
kendak wrote:Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 8:06am
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[QUOTE=Gerald J.]Some D17 use the low pressure bypass filter and some use the full flow PH8. They are not interchangeable. quote gerald j you change the filter housing or live with the cotton fibers in all fuel/oil filters no matter whos name is on them ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 9:50am
| Gerald is not saying they wont bolt up, he is saying they are not interchangable in application and he is correct. A full flow has to handle the system GPM and there is no way you can do that in X size canister and keep the microns the same. The by-pass filter element will filter out finer particals but wont handle the full flow GPM unless huge. This is why large diesels have both, the full flow to catch big stuff and make sure that all the oil reaching the bearings has some sort of filtration and the by-pass to filter out the fines. If you want to filter part of your oil with a coarser filter that is up to you. Personaly I could care less whats inside of my Fleetgard LF571s as long as they are filtering as designed but things go over my head ya know? |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 10:04am
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 10:19am
| Dont worry about me I have developed thick skin on here. You are correct in that there is a lot of happy horse poop about about oil, filters and filtering. I generaly just stand back and enjoy the reading when the subject comes up but I fell in the swill this time, my mistake. |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 10:26am
Ah...my morning entertainment...LOL! Mike ------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 11:12am
| I was looking an early WC once, owned by a gentleman who had inherited the tractor from his Dad thirty-some years earlier, and mentioned that it had one of the very old glass AC filters on it. The owner replied that they were'nt sure what to replace it with, so they never did. That may be the solution, just leave it alone. |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 12:56am
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Has anyone tried the Baldwin T-300M FILTER? ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 4:15am
| i use purolater too! |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 10:08am
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OH NO!!! The Anti-Fram guys are at it again!! I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I've been selling Fram filters for 35 years, and NEVER had any of my customers lose an engine or had engine problems because of the oil filter. Not even on my own engines in my 1/4 mile door slammers or Dragsters that I used race for years. Speaking of Dragster's, tell the Top Fuel and Funny car guys that Fram filters are sh$t. If they were that bad, they wouldn't be screwed on a million dollar 8000 HP engine. I'll go along with Butch n' Mike. It is morning entertainment! I think my personal vehicles and my little Tractors will survive those bad ole' filters.. LOL! Steve@B&B |
Posted By: chevytaHOE5674
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 10:26am
They also tear those motors down after every few runs. They don't need the motors to last for days/weeks/years/decades.... Just something to ponder..... |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 12:57pm
I don't know how you think you can use a pleated paper filter on a by-pass system like the older Ac's had. I'm sure you can change the filter bracket, but it has been proven that pleated filters WILL NOT cause enough resistance in the system to develop adequate oil pressure. Unless you plan on revamping the oil system internally a pleated paper filter will ruin you engine in a by-pass situation. As far as the fram filters go, they will work as good as any in a bypass system. Maybe somebody should build an add-a-bracket that would allow use of a by-pass filter and then what gets through that would go through a pleated paper filter. Then maybe your engine will last 100 years instead of 50. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 1:11pm
I'm not anti-fram and I use Fram for certain applications. Bottom line is this, there is no one company that makes the best filter for every situation. As a heavy equipment mechanic for over 30 years I have seen many different brands of filters and have had to open them to diagnose failures. This has given me a birds eye view of the internal make up of these filters. In my field filters are pushed to the limits due to environmental conditions. I don't see Fram used anywhere near as often as I see Wix and Hastings.
That being said, in this particular application, the filter which provides the best oil pressure with in the guide lines of the machine's specs and still proves adequate filtration over the long term should be the filter of choose regardless of the brand.
As for the Baldwin filter, I have only used them in hydraulic systems. That is why I posted my question concerning the T300-M.
One more thing, I don't find it entertaining when someone is concerned about the breakdown of an expensive piece of equipment due to filter failure. Then again, I'm concerned about the longevity of the machine and not the sale of parts. ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2011 at 2:37pm
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mdtractormechanic, I agree 100% with ya. I to am a heavy equipment and heavy truck mechanic that has over 30 years myself. That's my regular job not a parts salesman selling filters. I'm responsible for taking care of a fleet for the local power co. and know what your saying. I also do a lot of Hydraulic work because our bucket trucks are equipped with 42-55' man-lift booms, & pressure digger derricks to set poles. You are absolutely correct. There are certain types of filters for certain types of jobs. Hydraulics is a whole other world, and so are the filters designed for those applications. To me, the entertainment end of it is how this subject (Fram) on the Tractors gets beat to death when a question arises, not so much the longevity of a product. Wix had a problem a while back with their equivilent to the C159 Fram. Yet, folks are right on it that Fram's version is junk. I sell a lot of C159's to our Tractor customer's and not one that I know of lost an engine because of the filter. They're all on my Tractors also. To me, its why condemn something when it hasn't had any issues. It works the way it was designed so far. Glad to see Wix jumped on that problem and revised the filter, especially for folks who only have Napa stores near them where they can purchase their service parts. As you probably know, Wix is one of the "giants" of the filter industry, also making the filters for Cat, and other mfr's per their specs. I am just as concerned as you about the longevity of a machine or engine at work. Some of our bucket trucks have close to a 1/2 million miles on em'. Not counting the endless hours these engines run while the linemen are in the air fixing the power lines day and night. Now we're talking longevity..... Steve@B&B |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 12:36pm
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OK...........Say I want to put the newer filter housings that accept the PH8A filters on my WD and WD-45. Sure would save a few bucks on filter changes!!
As I understand it, the old type filters provide sufficient resistance to keep the oil pressure up and maybe the PH8A pleated paper filters flow too freely?
Is it possible to put some kind of restrictor in the line to achieve adequate oil pressure?
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 1:32pm
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Where would the savings be? I can buy 3 C159 for the price of 2 PH8A's at Farm and Fleet.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 1:52pm
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I guess I will say that all of the Fram filters I cut open a few months back were their standard line and not the HP1 Mitch is talking about. They are poorly constructed at best. Cut open a Wix or a Purolator and you WILL see a profound difference. Nothing against Steve and Mitch, but cut them open and see for yourself. The HP1's may be different, the regular ones are poorly made compared to Wix or Purolator. Champion Labs filters are even slightly better constructed. The same can be said for aftermarket air filters such as K&N. They may flow more air than a stock paper filter, but they also let alot more dirt through. Probably ok for a race engine, but definitely not a good choice for something you want to live long term.------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: BStone
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 2:11pm
| Thats why there is always several different brands of merchandise.We will never all agree 100 % on anything.Fram makes the cheapest filter that I know of on the market.Cheap in price and cheap in quality. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 2:35pm
| Sounds just like the Champion plug is no good deal all over again! |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 4:54pm
Not in this part of the world!!
I can buy 3 FL1A Motocrafts at Wallyworld for the price of 1 C-159 Fram at tractor Supply!
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 5:17pm
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:18pm
| I used to race a 69 Z-28 years ago. The guy I got it from ran champion plugs. I switched to motorcraft and got faster times and fewer fowl-outs. I don't know just sayin..... Steve, I operate one of those 55' bucket trucks, and believe when I tell ya that I appreciate the maint. that is done on my truck because when mother-nature is at her worst, we have to be at our best. Nick |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:45pm
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On my HD5 it uses a bypass filter which is outside of the engine std lube system but uses a ofice to limit the oil flowing to the filter. So the restriction in the line or backpressure of system is controlled (same as it would be in the AC filter) by this orfice.
When I changed filter to a PH8 filter I made a filter housing and made my own restrictor to also control the flow and pressure. ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:49pm
| I think a Fram looks the best. Orange right out of the box so ya don't have to paint them. |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:16am
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Coke,
What did you use for a restrictor?
Somewhere around my place, I have a Ford remote oil filter housing that I think I could adapt.
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:29am
| Thad, The Fram C-159 filters are white. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:33am
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Now with that said, come on guys keep it going.
This is fun reading. I can't find the funnies from the paper yesterday so this will have to do. 
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:45am
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Nick T,
Amen to that brother!! IBEW Local 327
mailto:Steve@B&B - Steve@B&B
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Posted By: Dave Everett
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:04am
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Unbelievable !!!!!!!
HOW much of a run can you get for something that was originally a glass jar stuffed with waste cotton ?
wasnt life so much simpler then ?
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Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:36am
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A simple question was asked about the part number of a filter. Some chimed in on what they thought may be a better filter for the tractor while others defended their choices. Then the post goes to sparkplugs and cost savings. But the one that amazes me is buying a filter for your tractor because it's the right color, or not. WOW, that will help keep a tractor running for a LONG time!
I joined this site for serious info on old tractors, related implements, and their restoration thinking others were like minded but with replies like these I may be mistaken and see why some find them funny. For me having to read thru all this fluff is tedious and a waste of time just to get to the intent of the original post. Most likely I will be better served sticking to manuals and old tractor magazines. ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:06am
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Just good discussion,lol!
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: Toneman1
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 12:53pm
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Now you guys have got me confused as to what filters to buy with all this excellent feedback. It's kind of like which oil is best to use.
I am getting ready to order filters, all three types (fuel, oil, & hydraulic) for my D17 D Series IV. Could anybody point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Tony ------------- Don't worry about the mule going blind, just load the wagon. |
Posted By: BobHnwO
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 1:05pm
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Go to nearest Allis Dealer and buy yer filters!!!
------------- Why do today what you can put off til tomorrow. |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 1:07pm
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Bob, that's the funniest reply yet. My nearest Allis dealer is 2 states away. ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: nsula_country
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 1:39pm
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WIX. CT
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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:36pm
| I've got some KERR canning pint jars and Excess cotton scraps maybe I should make some. Ya think I need a plate or sumtin to keep the cotton in? |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:40pm
| Bob, I'm building a time travel machine. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:45pm
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mdtractormechanic, We have fun here.
Sometimes too much fun. 
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:53pm
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mdtractormechanic, You posted: For me having to read thru all this fluff is tedious and a waste of time just to get to the intent of the original post.
The question was answered in the first reply. You should of stopped there. Proceed at your own risk. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 5:05pm
I use Fram Filters because my mother told me to.
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Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 5:10pm
| Here is my thoughts....most of the old tractors out there that haven't recently been torn down, all cleaned out and rebuilt are full of gunk from years of non detergent oil and just plain wear. They most most likely would run just same for many more years if they had no filtration at all and just got an oil change once in in a while. So in my mind the filter debate it mute. |
Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 7:14pm
| Boy did I make a fool of my self. The only fram filters i've seen were for cars and trucks from wally world. I use NAPA because they have them in town and gas is to high to make a long trip some other place. Are the napa filters ok now. The ones I've bought in the past looked like the correct one in the pic. Maybe I should just order a dozen and not need to go to town at all. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 7:28pm
| I buy them from Agco. Price aint to bad and they have the pretty AC logo on them. It just seems like putting icing on the cake. They look great on a AC tractor. Ryan BTW, how many other AC brothers will carry this post out another 100 or so?? LOL |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:08pm
Order them from Steve @ B&B. He usually has en for a good price and if you buy several they are even better priced. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:19pm
| Anywhere I can get a Alice Chambers filter I be happy. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:23pm
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Just have some decals made up for your Alice Chambers or your Alice Charmers and buy em buy the dozen. Stick one on every time you change the oil. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |