Off color baler opinions
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Topic: Off color baler opinions
Posted By: BradH
Subject: Off color baler opinions
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2018 at 7:37pm
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Hello all, My wife's parents are in the market for a square baler. We've decided to scale back the farming operation, many factors were involved here. Also, my mother-in-law and I decided to start a pumpkin patch. They happened across an online listing for an international model 46 the other day. It looks all right from the picture but we'll have to go look at it first. It's somewhat local, wich is good because we aren't really equipped to haul it. So, does anybody have any advice about this machine? Good, bad, things to look out for with them? Also, what would be a decent price for one? Anything you can tell me would be good. Thanks, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
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Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2018 at 7:50pm
| I have one . No real complaints. That knotter does not function like any other balers knotter.Once you get it figured you'll be better off. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2018 at 8:10pm
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No experience, personally, but here's a video I found: [TUBE]ICm2Sk-nKY4[/TUBE]
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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2018 at 9:29pm
| I have one that I use to bale aluminum siding with. Seems like a pretty tough baler to me. MACK |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 2:10am
| man...MACK....bet that's noisy! |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 10:20am
| My dad bought a new IH mod. 45? back when I was just a kid. It was absolutely the worst baler EVER built. Even with IH twine and countless trips to the field by service rep. it was rare to bale over 50 bales(most of time less) without the knotter messing up. It was the only thing that ever made my dad use foul language. He only kept it 2 yrs. and traded it for a new mod. 68 NH and problem was solved. He always said that baler aged him 10 yrs. in a 2 yr. time. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 11:29am
Couldn't give me an IH square baler they have the reputation for being the worst about not tying of all of them all.Get a New Holland or a John Deere,I have an Oliver because I bought it cheap,makes a real nice bale but if I break it it'll probably be scrap because of the parts situation |
Ky.Allis wrote:Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 12:53pm
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New Holland or Nothing!!! Life is too short for bad balers. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 1:02pm
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IH knotters are different that all others and parts are starting to be an issue. You either liked or hated IH balers. Go with a Deere or NH. In a smaller baler a Deere 24t is great and a 336 even better. NH the 268-269,273-275 and the newer 310-311 were all good balers with plenty of parts both new and used available. Tom |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 1:34pm
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I agree, a New Holland baler will make you a happy farmer. Of course, it doesn't matter what kind you get, there is always the chance of getting that one lemon! ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: BillinAlberta
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 1:51pm
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I have an IH425 that I use for 1000 or so hay and straw bales. It may be different though since it was built in Great Britain.The knotters are standard design.I set them up using a New Holland manual.Seemed the same. Parts are a problem. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 1:54pm
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Personally, I believe it's hard to beat a Hesston inline baler, starting with a 4600 up to the newest (now called a MF and painted red). Most parts are still available even for the 4600's and they make a solid, square bale. Knotters aren't too touchy either. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: kenbob
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 2:45pm
| Gary, I am curious as to your Oliver baler. My cousin had one a 55? I think. The bales were slightly smaller than a NH bale but that thing baled a lot of hay with few problems. The bale feed chamber was shiny and devoid of paint from so much use. Just have never heard of anyone still having one and wondered about yours. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 3:15pm
Mine is a 62-T the first one with the rotary flow hay feed,bought it at an auction for $200 it had sat in a barn for about 15 years before they took it to the sale I found out. It makes a great bale always the same and has a hydraulic thing that keeps the bale tension the same never saw anything like it. |
Posted By: cabinhollow
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 3:52pm
I got a Hesston 4600 last summer after using NH balers for 30+ years. Its' worst bale is equal to about the best bale I got from any of the NH balers I have own or used. I paid 2x's for it what the same age NH would have cost me and the 4600 is worth the money. In my research, I talk to two hay farmers (80,000 to 100,000 bales per year), they both had brought a new MF and NH in the last 2-3 years and the only time they have the NH's in the field is when they are trying to beat the rain. Another hay farmer (50,000 to 60,000 bales per year) had just replaced his 25 year old inline with a new MF, but was keeping his old one as a spare. |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 3:55pm
If something lets go, dont scrap it, try to sell it online, there is a good Oliver and White Tractor Facebook group, or a post on Yesterday's Tractors should help get it sold for much more than scrap. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 4:09pm
x2! It has to be worth something to an Oliver guy! I've never even seen an Oliver baler before. I'd say they're on the rare side.
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Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 6:14pm
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Thanks for all the input here guys, especially the video. It had a lot of good points to check. Like I said, we'll have to go look at the machine and see what it's like. We don't need to put up much hay with it, it's mostly just for a hobby. I'd also like to bale some straw for the pumpkin patch with it. At the same time though, we don't have time to waste messing with a baler that doesn't work half the time. I think we'd rather have a JD or NH, but this one s available and close to home so it caught our eye. In the end it's the farm's money, not mine. I'm just helping to manage things and get information to help lead things in the right direction. Also, we're not planning to bale any aluminum siding, but it's always good to know the option is there. Thanks, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: studer automotive
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 6:21pm
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I have an Oliver baler. A model 620. Been a great baler, i can make the bales as small or large as I want. Only problem I ever had was the flywheel came off& would keep coming off towards the end of last season. Havn’t had any issues getting parts.... ------------- a-c 185-d y/r cab turbo soon 99 f-250 7.3 4x4 86 mustang5.0 owned since 8/93 |
Posted By: Alex (wi)
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 7:37pm
| I know this might sound cliche given the subject, but Allis Chalmers makes a great square baler. Just sayin' |
Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 7:51pm
I had a 720 That was a baling son of a gun. Anothe thing about my IH 46. With the IH knot you can make bricks and those strings won't break.
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 8:16pm
Agree 100%!!! Everyone was good at something. Allis was tractors and combines, Deere planting equipment, and NH was hay equipment. Smart farmer has a multi color fleet. Uncle has my late grandfather’s NH for sale. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: BradH
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 9:00pm
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I agree. Dad always told me New Holland made great hay equipment. He has three of their side delivery rakes and from what I've seen of them they are bulletproof. We're still looking around for now. Later, Brad ------------- Warning! Blind man with a tractor! Head for the hills! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 9:12pm
When NH was NH, it was very good. I gots a 256 rake, had a bearing go in the main gearbox(main shaft and pinion gears). Ordered all the parts, 2 gears, 2 brgs, shaft, seal from NH (FNH, to be precise). Shaft was out of round (not very noticeable, when I assembled it, and pressed the gear on, one gear backed itself off, and I hadda do all 4 hrs of work, again. Did a field expedient repair, welded the gear, to the sumb!tch shaft, and reassembled... Been workin for about 10 years, thataway!
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