Illinosis DOT regulations
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Topic: Illinosis DOT regulations
Posted By: DaveWisc.
Subject: Illinosis DOT regulations
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:24am
| I plan on going to the GOTO in PONTIAC,ILL.SO this is my question.I plan on taking my D21 and my A. I have a dual tandem trailer which is a 20 ton trailer.The truck is a Chevy 2500 HD which is not a dually. Is this legal in Illinosis or how do I find out ? Thanks for any help |
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Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:30am
| What kind of weight are you talking about? It seems to me that you'll be well above the towing capacity of your truck. |
Posted By: DaveWisc.
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:41am
| The weight of the tractors should be D21 11000 and A is 8000 so total of 19000. |
Posted By: old farmer
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:42am
| What does you truck and trailer weight empty? That would a good starting point, then each tractor separately which will give a starting point when talking to DOT, get results in writing with name of who you talked to |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:56am
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Dave I would guess that combo of truck and trailer are not legal in any state . As far as talking to someone and getting something in writing ,that will never happen . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:59am
| Your pulling a 40,000 trailer with a 3/4 ton pickup. If they stop you it'll be impounded even if you don't have a tractor on it.if you truck is a 2500HD your trailer is still 17,000 pounds over the max tow rating of your pickup. Your a ticket looking for someplace to happen. |
Posted By: BEK
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:59am
| Max towing capacity of the Chevy 2500 HD is 17,900 lbs. The D21 and A will max that out not including the trailer. |
Posted By: BEK
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 10:10am
| I think a few of us that play with the old iron have pushed some boundaries at times. I just brought home a tractor towing through three states and may not have met each states requirements? My bigger concern was heaven forbid I get into an accident. If they find I'm overloaded or over weight everything could quickly become my fault regarding liability. Good luck. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 10:13am
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right or wrong, I pull my dual wheel tandem trailer all over IL all summer with my 210 and polaris ranger on it, with my Dodge 2500 single wheel truck. Typically they don't mess with you if the rig looks nicely kept, and good chains used properly. But, I read all the time, they are cracking down on us all in search for revenue. Worst state I've heard about is Iowa. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 10:55am
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I'm guessing it's not a 20 ton trailer. He probably means 20,000lb trailer. 20k per axle is what semi-trailers are rated for. I think legally you'd be ok. An Indiana DOT officer email me this when I asked a similar question The only time you need to worry about the GVWR of your vehicles is if they are considered commercial motor vehicles, otherwise the only thing you need to worry about is your plate weight. Legality aside, I have a 3/4 Dodge Hemi and a 20K gooseneck. I would not want to put more than 10K on the trailer and pull any farther than a couple miles. The truck just isn't made for it. My trailer weighs 6k, so a D21 and an A would be overweight even for the trailer. I know the truck takes some weight but still...
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Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 11:36am
| I don't really think how nice your rig looks has a lot to do with it. Case in point...neighbor recently traveled to Wisconsin to pick up a loader he had purchased. Went from southeast Nebraska across Iowa toward Wisconsin. Was just about out of northeast Iowa when stopped by DOT for excessive tint on windows and it mushroomed from there. By the time the officer was done with him there was a full page and another half page of "violations". He showed me the papers. His rig was a very late model Dodge 3500 and almost new dual tandem 30 foot trailer. About as nice, well kept pulling outfit as you would find anywhere. He just happened to run across an over aggressive individual that wanted to show his authority. All that being said, I have pulled trailers behind pickups for a lot of my almost 70 years in Iowa without any incidents whatsoever. Go figure! |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 12:22pm
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Get a semi and lowboy and save yourself the grief of paying out big fines, PLUS the safety thing! thanks; ac fleet |
Posted By: DaveWisc.
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 12:32pm
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You guys are right I have two axles and the trailer is rated at 11.5 per axel so about 23000 pounds.I am going to take my D21 and B to the show tractor weight will be about 12000 pounds plus the truck and trailer. This should be legal. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 4:29pm
| Remember that this will also be Labor Day weekend . In this financially screwed up state, the law enforcement will be spread pretty thin. As long as you’re moving, I really doubt that you will even get a glance. Stay away from Chicago and come on down. We’re going to have a good time. |
Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 4:59pm
| if your trailers got a 20000 P tag on it ' an a 8000 or 12000 tag on the truck' why should anyone bother you anyway. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 5:16pm
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Still wouldn't hurt to do an anonymous call (from a phone booth) and see what they say. Tell em you're doing it in two days, from the OTHER end of the state. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 5:59pm
| If your truck has a diesel, the max towing rating is 17,000. Otherwise it’s around 13,000. Even with trailer brakes you’re asking for trouble if you need to make a sudden stop or evasive maneuver. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 6:28pm
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If the GCVW is over 20,000 lbs they may still go after you fer a health card, and non cdl cdl. No I didn't repeat that last cdl. Md does this, and some other states... http://www.idot.illinois.gov/doing-business/permits/Oversize-and-Overweight-Permits/legal-weights-and-dimension" rel="nofollow - http://www.idot.illinois.gov/doing-business/permits/Oversize-and-Overweight-Permits/legal-weights-and-dimension
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 6:36pm
| all it'll take is someone with a new drivers license or someone that has to much booze in them to ruin your year! |
Posted By: d17brown
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 7:43pm
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take the GVW OF THE TRUCK AND TRAILER, ADD THEM UP.YOU CANT GO OVER THAT WEIGHT. ALSO EACH AXLE IN THE PICTURE WILL HAVE TO BE WITHIN ITS LIMITS. YOU WILL NEED A CDL AND PROPER LICENSE ON THE TRUCK TO HAUL THE WEIGHT YOU TOTAL ------------- phil |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 7:49pm
| Agree with CWHIT. It's Labor Day weekend and there is no money in this state to pay time and half/overtime to any officers. They'll be spread thin for emergencies only. Hope to see you there! |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 8:15pm
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I pulled my D-21 (10,300 lbs) to the Canandaigua GOTO (4 hours) with a GMC 2500 and a gooseneck trailer with 14K axles. No problems and with all ratings of the truck, trailer, tires and plate weight. Use my semi most of the time now. Too much US truck regulation now and a super aggressive US border patrol. Just coming to Pontiac with the camper now. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:08pm
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I don't know about counting on the cops not being around they can catch one overloaded truck and pay their wages for the whole weekend.All the rest they catch are just icing on the cake. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:08pm
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If your rig has a GVWR of more than 8ton (16,000lbs), you're required by law to stop at all "opened" IL weigh stations. Upon entering a truck weigh station or being randomly pulled over & stopped for any DOT check point, your rig can be subjected to ALL DOT compliance - known or otherwise. That applies to any & all USA states. Depending on the DOT officer, your DOT compliance efforts(CDL, medical card, USDOT registration, UCR, IFTA & probably very soon ELD - to name just a few...) & your willingness to cooperate during your rig inspection, will probably yield how gracious, or not, the DOT officer reacts. You may choose an alternate route to avoid weigh stations, but DOT check points can be positioned on any road. FYI - try to consider the fact that the DOT officers are doing their job for YOUR benefit. In the 33 years of my CDL career, any of my disagreements during compliance checks get clarified when a DOT officer reminds me that even though he may agree with my arguing concerns, upon any incident on the road where my rig is involved & personal &/or property damage results, the insurance attorneys &/or any hired personal attorneys will stop at nothing to find anything that is not in compliance (fault) with my rig and there upon will insue compensation. If you're like me & favor a similar notion that I'd hate to see you loose your beautiful AC D-21 and any other AC piece, let alone your entire rig too, & perhaps your house, etc, etc, etc... Please learn the DOT laws, get DOT compliant, & thank the next DOT officer that helps find anything that could have possibly resulted into a negative opportunity for you. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 9:29pm
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Geez...after reading AC7060IL post,,,looks like ya jus better leave the tractor an trailer at home... Here's my take, you are NOT commercial, ie hauling for any revenue, that makes it a hobby...and should be exempt,, but I don't know how IL or other states look at that.. Next idea, get one of them big motor homes an pull an enclosed trailer, as big as you want...no problems then...because its an RV..no weigh stations, no DOT checks.... |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:38am
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My take. CDL is about weight. DOT number is commercial or not. 22,000 lb tag trailer and 10,000 tag truck gets you 32,000 lbs. That is well over the 26,000 that is needed for a class A CDL. Tandem dual trailers are the DOTs new favorite target. But opinions are like elbows, everyone has a couple. Call the DOT and ask. Get that answer in paper with that persons name on it. AaronSEIA |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 6:01am
| Every state has a slightly different take on CDL. Some exempt farmers completely from CDL requirements. I had a B when I lived in Nebraska, but no medical certificate was required as long as I was in-state. I had an A when I lived in Oregon and I had to have a medical as any other driver would have needed. I don't know Illinois' take on CDL requirements for farmers. The other question is: Are you a farmer or are you a hobbyist? In either case, at 23,000 pounds I think you are towing well beyond the limits of your truck. Not a safe thing to do. |
Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:03am
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I have a single axle 3500 Dodge and my tandum axle trailer and and liscensed for 26,000. I am legal on all my axles and tires. I used to be at 32,000 when it was a 3 axle trailer. Left a lot of room with that weight but I carried tonnage and since I had my CDL, I was told I could carry that in WA. state where I live. I never went through and still don't go through scales and have made 2 trips to MO. and been around a lot of states like this. I am building now a 89 Peterbilt registered as a RV and that is how I brought my tractors to MO for the GOTO in my 48 ft. Kentucky trailer. I Stopped at all the scales on this trip just to see what they would do etc. I got pulled in 3 times and asked for my paperwork and since the title and registration is listed at motorhome, they sent me on my way. Side of trailer saws Private carrier and on the bottom of the door says registered RV Not for Hire. I have a bed, microwave, fridge ,portable toilet and small camping sink tucked under the bed and I am legal that way. Might want to see about doing this in future. Just what I did. Legal on all axles is #1 thing and I carry tonnage is what a local State Patrolman told me who I am friends with. Sorry for rambling. Take care and see you there this Summer at the GOTO!!! ------------- B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:32am
You might get to meet a EX Illinois Governor if you get the right DOT man to stop you  |
DaveWisc. wrote:Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:45am
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Legalities aside A person should consider what is safe. I have pulled an A around a good bit behind a 3/4 ton truck,, add a D-21 to the load? No way! I dont care what the DOT says is legal. Maybe its because I have had 2 near misses in the past while on the way to a show. Glad to read you decided against hauling both! It just isnt worth the risk, IMO. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:09am
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This may or may not help, probably the latter. https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x142.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x142.pdf ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:22am
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If your trailer is over 10,001 it needs a DOT inspection sticker , as well as the tow vehicle needs one . Next comes the fact at above a weight you need a CDL license because of weight - nothing to do with if commercial hauling or not. Believe me there are inspectors out there who take pride in doing a good job and being good guys - but it seems there just as many that are out to ruin someones day . Had one MN inspector go over my old 66 White Tandem Dump - complemented me that it was in good shape and no warnings or violations - on going into scale house to sign paperwork - another inspector pipes up asking how many violations he found - when he said none - guy pipes up go do it again that truck has to have something wrong for it's age - write some tickets for something , use state and federal statues and find something -- (So inspector who did Level 1 said he would put a CVSA sticker on truck also - so next time I come through the other guy would not have a reason to stop me ) ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: DaveWisc.
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:32am
| I am not a kid,I have a CDL a d Fed Med card. Now I don't know if I want to take anything outside of Wisc.I just don't we t to have any trouble with the DOT I have been stopped by them when I drove a truck hauling fertilizer for a company. I just went to be safe and not get stopped. When the DOT gets you stopped sometimes they look until they find something wrong. I know that is there job but some take it to the extreme. Sorry for the long post |
Posted By: 1953CA
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 2:10pm
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Darryl - Same here, moved all my equipment from Washington to Wisconsin- three trips so far with my Semi, running CDL / Not for hire and paid the required tonnage, kept it legal on all axles, pulled in all scales no issues. Was asked in Wisconsin to pull behind the coop, just to verify I wasn't hauling in commerce. ------------- 1945 AllisCletrac / 1948 "B" / 1953 "CA" / 1955 "WD-45" / 1963 "D-15 Series II" "No Air Support without Ground Support" |
Posted By: 1953CA
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 2:14pm
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You don't need DOT inspections on trailer or Truck unless your running in commerce, I print out all my emails from the DOT and carry it in my binder in the truck, goes along way to show them I've done my homework. ------------- 1945 AllisCletrac / 1948 "B" / 1953 "CA" / 1955 "WD-45" / 1963 "D-15 Series II" "No Air Support without Ground Support" |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:03pm
| Dave, I know everyone means well but I,ll bet you won’t even SEE a cop,let alone a DOT officer in Illinois on Labor Day weekend. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 6:32pm
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sheesh, with all these scare tactics, it's a wonder any of us ever leave the house lol! I'm looking forward to pontiac, and we should be pulling there as well. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DaveWisc.
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 6:45pm
| Right now I plan on bringing the A and Bwith mounted plow. That will be good enough yea the Allis Golf cart has to come too. |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:53pm
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I'm glad I didn't know all these rules when I went to Pa. with a 4 cylinder Tacoma and a home made trailer and hauled a B back home 480 miles. I probably wouldn't have that tractor now.. |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 7:57pm
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I am planning to haul a CA to Gray, Tn. this spring on the same trailer, (it has been upgraded to 3500 lb axles with brakes) and a Colorado, but it's pretty close home about 80 miles (just guessing) up the mountain. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 8:21pm
| Missouri dot says as long as the total weight is under your license plate weight and your load is less than the gvw rating on the trailer your okay. Most tandem trailers with 10k axles are 25,000lb or so. I've hauled 15k several times and into Illinois once. My 2011 Duramax single rear wheel and 30' trailer weigh about 15,000 together. That puts me right at my max with my 30k plates. |