AC Running Gear
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Topic: AC Running Gear
Posted By: Randy MN
Subject: AC Running Gear
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2017 at 8:56pm
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Does any one here know why the AC 7 ton running gear has 2 different models? Model 700 and a Model 701. I would assume they were both made by Electric Wheel Co. Different style boxes used on either or hoist/ no hoist? ------------- 34 WC #477, 38 B #1935, 1-116 on steel, #8 7ft dbl action disc, #9 5ft dbl action disc, 295 Chainsaw |
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Posted By: Randy MN
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 2:34pm
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I posted this question a while back. I saw in a recent post that AC7060IL mentioned the Model 700 was earlier production and the 701 was produced later. Does anyone know if there were certain part changes, different boxes or hoists, or any other info that would have prompted the the model # change? Years of production? Thanks ------------- 34 WC #477, 38 B #1935, 1-116 on steel, #8 7ft dbl action disc, #9 5ft dbl action disc, 295 Chainsaw |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 7:56pm
| Does anyone know where to find tie rods for an AC running gear? |
Posted By: EPALLIS
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 11:01pm
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Try this link and enter the tie rod info and see what comes back. Thanks. https://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/universal_outer_tie_rod_ends.asp" rel="nofollow - https://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/universal_outer_tie_rod_ends.asp |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 5:52am
THANK YOU !!! |
EPALLIS wrote:Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 2:08pm
The 4xx/5xx/600/700/1000 are of the same concept...The 3xx is of a different design. I am quite sure that the early 700 is different than the later 701 because you should find that the 701 was sorta beefed up for the chopper boxes. Thus having a 72 inch wheel tread...I believe that the gear ranges were from 66 inches to 72...I think that is how I remember it....HTH...Dale
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Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 4:47pm
Thank you! I appreciate the help. I am going to get them off and try to match up the measurements in the Moog site.
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 11:21pm
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I suspect that the: 700 holds 14000 pounds and the 701 holds 14100 pounds!!  ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 6:26am
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Original AC dealership sales literature offers good insights to AC wagon running gears. One insight & subject in question, “which years were specific models produced?” can be answered using this literature. Usually most AC sales brochures have a date on their back cover near the bottom. For instance, the AC sales brochure for the 300, 405, 500, 505, 701, & 1000 is labeled FE-379/668, on it's back cover page. I assume FE-379/668 to mean Field Equipment 379, printed 1966, August. This makes sense, since these running gears all contain the newer 1965 triangle AC logo decal & a white background ALLIS-CHALMERS rear frame decal. I don’t have any of the older(pre-1966) AC running gear brochures, but have seen page copies on this forum that other forum members have shared. But a back cover page (the dated page) is not shared because the item of interest is usually on the inside pages. Anyone what to share photo copies of their older running gear brochure’s back covers?? I do own each of the models 605, 700, & 701 though. So I’ll share what I know from my studying them. The 605 & 700 models both have the older WD45 styled, ALLIS-CHALMERS decal with no background - naked lettering stuck over the running gears rear frame’s orange paint. So, I’m assuming these models to have been produced prior to the 1965-1966 era?? Another specific about these 3 gears are their ID tag’s information as follows: The 605’s ID cat.no. is 2013776 & serial no. 6 2281. The 700’s ID cat.no. Is 2013847 & serial no. 7 6443. The 701’s ID cat.no. Is 2013920 & serial no. 7 14402. The AC running gear’s ID cat.no. NEVER CHANGES per MODEL. So if your running gear is missing a stenciled “700” marking on it’s side frame, but it’s ID tag cat.no. is 2013847, then it is in fact a model 700... The serial number’s first number denotes "tonnage" which is then followed by a sequential production number. These sequential production numbers per a model or more importantly "tonnage model" (605 (6 1/2 ton) probably became the 700 (7 ton), which later became the 701(7 ton)) were just continuation numbers within a specific tonnage. So you'll probably never see a 2013847's 7 2280, because that serial number probably belongs to a 2013776's 6 2280. |
Posted By: Randy MN
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 4:14pm
I won't add the extra 100 lbs John.....! Thanks AC7060IL for the 7 ton explanation. Curious to see if there was a wheel tread difference between the 7 ton models. Someday I'll have to pick up some running gear brochures. I'll add some pictures of the tag, decal and model number AC7060IL mentioned.   ------------- 34 WC #477, 38 B #1935, 1-116 on steel, #8 7ft dbl action disc, #9 5ft dbl action disc, 295 Chainsaw |
Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2019 at 12:10pm
If I can remember which two I was working on I will check again. I recall they were 68 inches and 72 inches. sure it was a 700 and 701 and remember possibly that was of some significance of the 701 designation...Think it is only the axle stub that is longer and has the reinforcement cap on it...The pic is of the early gear I found....Dale 
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2019 at 1:56pm
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My AC 701 literature says it’s track is 75”. I just measured each wagon gear & this is what I found: All 3 models (605,700,701) have the following common items & measurements: - 3"wide x 6"tall box frames, - 60" centers between front frame spindles. - Q709 hubs, - 1 3/4" diameter stub axles, Here are their differences: AC 605 & 700 track is 72", - no gussets welded on rear axles where axles meet the box frame, - it has a 1" spacing between rear hub & rear box frame. - it has 3" welded gusset on front spindles. AC 701 track is 75", - it also has a 2 1/2" welded gusset on rear axle stubs where they meet the box frame. - it has a 4 1/2" welded gusset on front spindles. Here is a link to an earlier wagon discussion. It contains brochure literature for the 405,505,&605 specs and the earlier 501 & 601 specs. http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/ac-wagon-or-running-gear_topic7559.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/ac-wagon-or-running-gear_topic7559.html
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2019 at 2:24pm
I always interpreted those numbers as month/year, 06/1966. Does anyone know for sure? I believe I have a manual for my D14 with the numbers 857. That would be 08/1957, and the tractor is a 1957. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2019 at 3:52pm
Well maybe you're Right? I'm open to discussion about it. I'll try to share or explain how I came to my conclusion. Sales brochures are usually printed earlier than their products intended deput. So, I just picked a known AC product, which I have consecutive brochures and then do comparisons. For example, I'll use the AC gleaner K2 combine.
The 1977 series 2 Gleaner F2/K2 (shortback) brochure is labelled Form No. AED 464/7609. To me, that translated to: Agricultural Equipment Division 464, 1976, September. As the brochure stated, the 1977 K2 was only offered with a 6 cylinder GM250 engine and no diesel engine option. The 1978 series 2 Gleaner F2/K2 (longback) brochure is labelled Form No. AED 534/7711. To me, that translated to: Agricultural Equipment Division 534, 1977, November. Per the brochure, the 1978 K2 was offered with the standard 6 cylinder GM250 and for it's first time, it was offered with the optional AC 4 cylinder 443T diesel. I also considered that AC may have changed their brochure protocol thru the years? The gleaner example I gave above is for the 1977-78 era. So, I looked at a few from the ONE-NINETY 1965-69 era and found eight brochures FORM NO.s as follows: FE 320/6511 (1965, November) FE 393/666 (1966, June) FE 418/668 (1966, August) FE 461/672 (1967, February) FE 618/6712 (1967, December) FE 619/682 (1968, February) FE 644/6808 (1968, August) FE 808/695 (1969, May) Oddly enough, the FE 618 & FE 619 above, fell within this observation. Thats a lucky observation, because unlike the rest, there is no skip in their FE consecutive numbering. |
Posted By: Randy MN
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2019 at 8:25pm
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I don't have a lot of literature, but what I have is mostly older. It looks like the dates of publication are on the end of the "TL" numbers also. Learned something new. Thanks. TL 694-517 (1951 July) CA tractor TL-523A 4910 (1949 October) WD tractor ------------- 34 WC #477, 38 B #1935, 1-116 on steel, #8 7ft dbl action disc, #9 5ft dbl action disc, 295 Chainsaw |