220 will not start
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Topic: 220 will not start
Posted By: rodnil
Subject: 220 will not start
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 9:10pm
| My 220 has not been started for close to a year. I went to start it to help move a plow. Battery was dead and when tested is was shot. New battery installed and I attempted to start it. Turns over but would not fire a lick. Put some either in hers nose and it would start and run until it consumed all of the either. After numerous attempts failed I removed the sediment bowl and cleaned it. With the sediment bowl off I opened the valve before the sediment bowl and diesel fuel flowed at a good rate. I do not use BIO-DIESEL so that is not the problem. I used the pump , which is after the sediment bowl, but no help. Removed the square headed plug on top of the fuel filter and pumped it until all of the air was removed. Still no luck getting it to start. I removed and replaced the fuel filter. I filled the new filter full of fuel before attaching it. I used the pump to remove air and get the filter full of fuel, still will not start. What is the next step ?? Yes, I forgot to say it has fuel in the tank. |
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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 9:43pm
| Could be just don't have fuel to injectors yet. Could have metering valve stuck, or pumping plungers stuck. MACK |
Posted By: Oldoug
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 10:23pm
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Loosen the lines at the injectors turn it over and look for fuel also make sure your return line is not plugged. ------------- Matt Folkers FOLKERS RESTORATION Restoring vintage things to last so the future can enjoy our past. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 7:50pm
| Please check to see cable is turning on fuel.Pulled out is "on" for AC's |
Posted By: Luke R.
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 8:50pm
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Metering valve stuck ------------- 4-7030's,170G,220FWA,3-220's,210,D21II,D21I industrial,2-200's,3-190's,175D,2-D19D's,D19G,WD45,WD,CA,2-UCont.,5015FWA,917,B110,Gleaner F |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 6:43am
| It does sound like you never bled it through the pump and injectors. A second pair of hands is helpful. Loosen the lines at the injectors, have someone cranking the tractor, and as you get fuel squirting out of the injector lines, tighten them up. By the time you get 3 or so of them, it should be hitting. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 6:45am
| If with the lines at the injectors loose you can't get fuel, then maybe a metering valve or something like that isn't working, but you have to bleed it all the way to the injectors. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 8:43am
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been sitting and won't deliver fuel now, it's very likely stuck metering valve and or pumping plungers. Even though you think you are NOT using Bio-Diesel, nearly all fuel sold today DOES have some bio content, and that draws moisture and gets gummed up. Take the top cover off the pump and look inside. If it's nice and clean, you might get lucky and free things up with brakeleen, but if it's nasty inside, it should be torn down to be cleaned up so it will work properly. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 9:22am
| I owned a diesel car, but used it all winter and never had any problems. I don't know what problems will be associated with diesel sitting over the winter, but I suspect moisture and algae would be the two biggest issues. I use Sta Bil in my small engine gasoline and just used up a 9 month old can of that gas. I had no problems and the mower starts on the first pull, just as it did when the mower was new and the gas was fresh. My question is... isn't there a decent diesel fuel stabilizer that would avoid these sorts of problems you have when using older fuel? |
Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 10:48am
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bleed injector pump. bleed lines at each injector, keep throttle wide open any smoke out exhaust? ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
Posted By: rustydollar
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 10:51am
My Massey 35 with a CAV injector pump had a stuck metering valve, the guy at the injection shop told me these pumps after being rebuilt sitting on the shelf for a long time would freeze up. Stands to reason his test bench would these days be using a bio blended fuel. Fuel left inside the rebuilt pump would be prone to picking up moisture. |
injpumpEd wrote:Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:02pm
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Test stands usually are ran with a special test oil, not diesel, or bio diesel of any kind. It is expensive stuff, about $15/gal! It should not gum up. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 10:31am
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I won't say it's impossible to get straight petro diesel, but it's not easy to find. If you have fuel to the hydraulic head and still no go, time to send it to Ed or local pump shop. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 11:55am
| Throw a good chain around the front axle and pull it around in 8th gear with engine spinning at 1,000 RPM or more throttle set wide open and fuel knob pulled out. If that doesn't get it to start, yank off the injection pump. |
Posted By: rodnil
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 4:12pm
| Got some spare time today and a friend said he would help me start the AC 220. To make a long story short nothing he did would help start the 220. I have good clean fuel in the tank ( no bio diesel ) sediment bowl is clean and tight. Took the treaded plug out of the fuel filter holder and using the pump we had fuel with no air coming out of the hole. Replaced the pug and loosened the fitting on the fuel pipe going to the injector pump and using the pump we had plenty of fuel. After some more checking we found that we had no fuel coming from the top of the injector pump to the injector/s. What is strange to me is when the engine is being cranked it puts out smoke from the exhaust pipe. I'm at the point now that I think there is an issue with the injector pump. The tractor has a little under 3500 hours on it and it appears that the injector pump has never been off of the tractor. I'm still open to any and all ideas. RODNEY |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 6:45pm
Not on all pumpkins. My 160 and 175 are the opposite. One of the many things I like about my 6080s just a key. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 7:11pm
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give it a tiny,mist,wiff of ether. if it fires its a fuel deliver problem. also ck air filter, canister and all intake pipes for blockage (mouse house etc). |
Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 9:01pm
| One time (out of more than I want to admit) I got lucky and took the screws that hold the top on the pump out and followed the linkage and was able to use good penetrating oil on it and carefully work it back and forth until it moved like it was supposed to. That pump had set less than a year. Everything else I've had similar problems with required professional help. Good luck! |
Posted By: rodnil
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2017 at 9:13pm
| Fuel on/off cable works as it should. I never thought about air intake issues such as mice . I'll give that an inspection tomorrow. Either in it's noise works to fire it off but when it is consumed it dies. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:32am
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If it runs on ether, but not on fuel, it is an injection pump issue, and possibly the injectors will need looked over too. You have fuel to the pump, and linkages are working properly, the problem is likely in the pump, especially since you know it's never been off, and it has sat. I just bought a fence row 220, and it too will run on ether, but not fuel, so it's time to pull it off too. If you air intake was plugged up, it wouldn't have got the ether to run on. Mine doesn't smoke at all though. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 9:05am
| I'd still drag it with a chain just for fun. |