44 WC won't move
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Topic: 44 WC won't move
Posted By: randfessel
Subject: 44 WC won't move
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 5:37pm
| Been a Winter project for me. It was rough, in every way but complete factory toolboxes, battery box, gen. But everything has been a fight. All is ready, but the clutch shaft is stuck. Had the trans full for weeks, had a pipe wrench and 3' of pipe on the pto and I had it moving or so I thought last night. Hard to do two things at once. But still, a no go. Full throttle and off the pedal stalls the motor right now. Anyone been there before? |
Replies:
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 6:13pm
| Is it in two gears at the same time? |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 7:05pm
| Dan may be on to something, if it were me I would remove top of transmission and see whats wrong. The way you are going at it will lead only to broken parts and for sure a new clutch. |
Posted By: randfessel
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 7:22pm
| Shifts through the gears fine. With the trans in neutral, the input shaft will not move. |
Posted By: randfessel
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 7:28pm
| I've had the top off of the trans a bunch. It does shift like normal. Is there something I'm overlooking while in there? |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 7:34pm
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Pilot bushing stuck in the flywheel,--OR throwout bearing rusted to the input shaft. I assume the clutch plate is not stuck to the flywheel???---Had that happen on several of them. thanks; ac fleet |
Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 8:24pm
| like dan' said it's got to be stuck in 2 gears. reverse + 4th |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 9:51am
| im going with the clutch disc stuck to the fly wheel |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 10:01am
That would mean the tractor couldn't be stopped without killing the engine. Or you wouldn't be able to put the tractor in gear while the engine was running. Or a combination therein, depending. |
HudCo wrote:Posted By: Leon n/c AR.
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 10:24am
| If you can start it and use the clutch to get in gear it has to be in two gears or brakes stuck to drum. Leon |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 10:59am
| Pull top off transmission and look again. Could be a lot of different things in there. In two gears, bearing or bolt stuck between a set of gears, frozen bearing, or any thing else. With clutch released, if input shaft does not turn, don't force it. Find why. MACK |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 11:56am
Are you missing a wrench? 
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Posted By: randfessel
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 12:19pm
| Pulled top off trans and not in two gears. The lower gear set that the input shafts 'idles on', in neutral, the front gear on the set is stuck to shaft. It is rotating the shaft as observed at rear trans case. Been soaking for a long time in various fluids. Any ideas? I put a pipe wrench on shaft where I can get a bite on it and another on pto with no luck. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 12:27pm
| The front top gear turns when the lower four gears turn. You have to lock the foot clutch ahead (released) for these to be able to turn. One rear wheel off the ground and you should be able to turn the top rear three gears. |
Posted By: randfessel
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 1:21pm
| I understand what you are saying, but the lower gears are stuck on shaft and rotating it in the case. Any ideas how to free these from shaft? This tractor sat outside for a long time. Trans got water in it and cracked pto housing on bottom front. Other gears, etc were stuck but have come free. The lower will not give up. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 1:30pm
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since your bearings are probably junk anyway id try driving that lower shaft back and forth until it comes out. bolt and tab is all that holds lower shaft in. worst case scenerio, the case breaks, gears and shaft are junk. lots of parts out there.
the bottom gears are all 1 piece and rotate on long roller bearings on that shaft. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: randfessel
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 6:12pm
| Thank you all very much for your help. I had hoped it would break free and this tractor would be usable on the cheap but not always the case. I'll get it eventually. A wise old man I worked with over the winter said the best there ever was is half auto trans, half acetone. |
Posted By: Bob (IN)
Date Posted: 10 May 2017 at 5:56am
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I have a parts tractor with a good transmission I would sell you ------------- great-grandpa's wc with picker, 20/35, speed patrol, uc, m crawler, 620, 653 dozer d21 d17 d19 |