220s
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Topic: 220s
Posted By: donslick72@gmail.com
Subject: 220s
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 10:32pm
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How many 220 front wheel assist were buit?
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Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 11:18pm
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100...and I think I have read that some of them were converted back to two wheel drive so that they could actually get sold. Wasn't much demand for that yet in 1970 I guess.
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Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 6:23am
I don't think any of the 220s were converted back. 10 D21s had a hfwa and 9 of them were converted back to 2wd.
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Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 6:35am
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Around 20 Two-Twentys were converted back.
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Posted By: jorstad brothers
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 10:22am
makes a good story.
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remember plunder than burn
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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 8:11pm
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Always wonder how they preformed in the field in conditions that they were actually good for , they were gear driven ?
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 8:46pm
220 FWD was gear driven. The only problem as I see it, you could only use the FWD in low range in the main transmission. That was before high speed farming as we know today and when a 135 hp tractor pulled a 7 furrow plow at 3-4 mph.
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Posted By: acben20
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 9:13pm
I'm starting to think with as many that are showing up the total number built is more than 100 I would say closer to 200 tractors. Norms book is where the number 100 come from and I don't think it's correct.. kind of like his book says they built only 6 d14 high crops odd thing is on that one I have had over 11 factory d14 high crops my self so his production numbers are not a 100% true in my opinion..
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Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 4:05am
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I have over 30 serial numbers of 220 fwa and every time i see a new Old Allis news i see pics of 220 fwa at shows or people's private collections that i don't have serial numbers for. Be interesting to know if there are more than 100.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 7:41am
several say they think more than 100 were built, but seriously, have you ever seen 100 tractors lined up? That is a lot of tractors. Yes, it seems you see one here, one there, but many of the magazines feature the same tractor more than once. Dale Hardtke told me he has a serial number registry for the FWA 220's. I wonder how many have actually surfaced? Honestly, they are so hunted, there cannot be many left out there that are un-discovered. Like bigfoot! lol! I believe the story about only 80, and 20 converted back, so there's 20 220's somewhere with the unique rear end housing, which in my eyes would be an even more valuable tractor than an actual FWA.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: Dale Hardtke
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 8:28am
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Hey Ben: I knew Norm for a few years and I believe that his information on the FWA 220 was accurate. Norm was quite involved in engineering and production decisions during the 1969-1972 model years. The 220 Mexican Hat rear wheel castings were one of his projects. His involvement in 1957-1960 (D-14 production) all though being a Allis Chalmers employee, was of a different nature. I have found that FWA 220 s/n range from 2223---2449. It appears that they were made in groups of 3 or 4 at once. Anyone that would like to add their FWD 220 to the registry I have, please contact Dale Hardtke @ (262) 719 3552.
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 10:17am
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how many things were done to these tractors after the factory at dealers or privately ? no one will realley know that
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2017 at 11:42am
The rear end housing to a fwa 220 is different than the rest of the 210/220 tractors. So, there's not much hope in cloning one with a working front wheel drive. The housing was made specifically for the front to drive off of. So, theres supposedly 20 220 2wd tractors that could have the fwa rear end, so they'd likely be one of the 20 converted back from fwa. How many 220 fwa are actually accounted for? 50? maybe? Think about it, there's no way there's still 30 out there undiscovered. How many were junked?
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2017 at 10:32am
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My 220 has the pad where the drop box goes but it's not machined,just a pad.
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2017 at 5:29pm
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Mine was made before the first FWA and also has the pad, not machined.
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Posted By: Brad in WA
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2017 at 6:07pm
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I know of one 220 FWA that was converted back to 2 wheel drive.
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Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2017 at 9:14am
Serial #2230 was converted back to 2wd because I owned it. Bob Vanderploeg had the thing and bought back in the early 80s from Eastern WA.
Sold to Brandon Wilke in WI. about 3 years ago. When I talked to Norm he also said built 100, and converted 20 back to 2wd. From what I am seeing, a lot of fwa were built together sequential serial #s from 2223 on up. I know mine is #1 off line when they went into production, but I have seen pictures from the guy that owns serial # 1001 and it is a FWA. Book says started with 1004 and I believe they built maybe 1 or 2 FWA in 69. Look in back of swinfords book and said they built some in 69, but did not release to production till 70. I know Keene Thummel tractor was about almost 200 serial #s off when mine was built. I believe that a bunch were built together and then thinned out later in production when getting rid of parts. Just my 2 cents worth. Good subject!!!!
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B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2017 at 9:44am
How did you figure out yours is the first one? They weren't seperate serial numbers. Just the lowest serial fwa known? Im not questioning whether it is, just curious on method.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2017 at 6:33am
According to Norm Swinfords books and other collectors. Mine was the first off the production line. Only way that I know. Interesting they built in 1970 after being in production for 1 yr already and why serial # 2223.
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B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling.
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Posted By: AndyinWI
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2017 at 10:50pm
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I know where there is 220 with a 2wd front axel and it has the output shaft sticking out of the transmission for the MFWD axel. It is missing the engine and some sheet metal. if any of you have ever been to a certain tractor jockey near Waterloo, Wi you have probably seen it.....
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Posted By: ScottyB.
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2025 at 10:36am
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Sorry to butt in on an old thread or whatever you call it lol, but does anyone know what model the Rockwell was used under the 220 fwa? And was the “transfer case” Allis or aftermarket?
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2025 at 3:17pm
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An old friend of mine (who had one) insisted it was a somewhat common axle that was used on 6-wheel drive County/State trucks. The drop box I'm 99% sure that was A-C produced.
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Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2025 at 7:57pm
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A lot of things have happened since this thread began. I am now the keeper of the 220 fwd registry having merged Dale's and one other. As of Sept 2025 there are 76 serial numbers with 63 names on the registry. Serial 2230 now has an Oliver front axle. Three research farm or proto type 220 fwd's have been found, two without serial numbers and serial 1003. As Darryl stated 2223 was the first one sold through a dealer. Most were built between Serial 2223 and 2300 with the highest serial number being 2449. The Rockwell front axle serial numbers were not matched to the tractor. Most axle serial numbers start with 5 70- xxx. Prototype tractors had prototype axles with serial number as early as 4-69. The Rockwell front axle is model PS 50 NX 10. There is also an AC part number on the Rockwell ID plate along with the ratios and the serial number. Some of the higher serial number tractors have a serial number starting with 8-70. Speculation is the serial number starting with 5-70 is May 1970 because tractor 2223 was sold in June 1970 with axle #14. My own 220fwd is serial 2243 and has axle #10 Hope this helps. A few might have been salvaged so there are very few left to discover. I've looked through a pile of Rockwell steering drive axles from tomato harvesters and while there are a lot of similarities , none are the same. The 220 fwd front axle will have a specific differential and planetary ratio, mounting pads, and tread width specific to the AC order. The drop box will be AC. While all 210/220 rear housings have the flat area, The 220 fwd housings are machined to mount the drop box as well as the proper gears on the low range side to drive the axle. Cloning a 220fwd would be next to impossible.
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Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2025 at 5:46am
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Great post Calvin! Lots of information in there.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2025 at 8:38am
Just an FYI, the op passed away a few years ago. RIP Don! Great info guys!
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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