What would you choose to replace a 7000?
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Topic: What would you choose to replace a 7000?
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Subject: What would you choose to replace a 7000?
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2017 at 11:49pm
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If you were going to replace your 7000 tractor that was used for round baling (5x6 bales), what would you choose and why? Let's limit this to something 15 years old and newer, no loader, 100 hp or slightly higher. |
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 12:04am
| i'd do like I did....chose retirement! lol (still have all my tractors tho) |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 12:06am
| if the 7000 did well, then i'd replace with a 7010 or 7020. good all around tractors and I like the newer cabs on them, plus I like the side console gear shifter. prolly would try for a PS over a PD for baling hay. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 6:26am
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Let's take you seriously on your wish to be 15 years or newer.... How many acres are you covering? Creature comforts and ride and stuff like that become more important. Do you have any brand stigmas? (Deere, imports, poor prior experience...) Therefore, BUDGET??? |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 6:44am
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In this order. Kabota Case Deere Why? I like the color. All kidding aside I would go with the dealer that is closer to you no matter the color. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 7:11am
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I used a open station 7000 for 25 years or so and replaced it with a 8010 ps . the 7000 had over 9200 hrs on it and would eat the 8010s lunch baling hay. I'm not saying I don't love the 8010 , having the cab is worth a lot. Just expect to be dissapointed in the power of a newer tractor. I been looking at newer 100 hp tractors and I would be sure to check the pto engagement. Some of the newer ones engage pretty hard. I will also want a reverser and a power shift. A neighbor has a new Holland 115 and seems to get along good with it. Not saying I'm ready to change colors yet. Scott ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 8:14am
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Anything that will safely do the job efficiently on fuel, have about 20% reserve for so it can be used longer without working it too hard and no electronics so you can work on it mostly on your own or with local "non-dealer" mechanics to avoid dealer computer diagnostic charges up front. Many of the newer units have to be split to access wiring that is commonly found for shifting. This is the reason many are seeking late 70's thru 80's/90's units and rebuilding them. Note how these "older" unit prices have risen as folks can rebuild them for far less than buying new. Sure, commodities are down being one reason for this but I have had a number of folks contact me wanting contacts for shops that can re-do older solid units from end to end in the 100-150 hp range. You may be able to find one of these shops that are becoming more popular, and find something that works for you. Hopefully, parts sources will not dry up to soon for this older iron as there are many still out there . . . . |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 8:30am
| I really like the IH 8910s we have at the farm. We use them for cutting ,raking ,baling ,fertilizing ,spraying and pulling the bean harvester. They are comfortable have plenty of power and great visibility. They were made in the end of the 90s so there about 20 years old. The only tractors I've used new we're quad tracks and 4WDs. The GPS steering and multi function monitors are nice but realy only used on larger operations. You actually do save fuel when the tractor does the driving. It makes much straighter rows and has complete coverage without large overlap like when I drive. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 8:32am
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Agco RT 95, If it's big enough. It has a Cummins engine at least. I've been pondering if that model would replace our 200 spraying tractor. Just a thought. Leon B ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 8:52am
| We have a Deere 6420. Those and the 6430's have a pretty good reputation from what I've heard. Ours has been trouble free, except the diesel cap started leaking once. (Yes, it was tight) |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 9:21am
| I'm with Dakota Dave,get a Magnum. They're great tractors and can be picked up fairly cheap. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 9:26am
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Fiirst, if I could find a low houred 7000.. of course I would buy another. But that's like finding hens teeth. My own thoughts were to get something with out the "def" or add blue. (I think that's what its called?) Cost…well something used, so under $100,000. Dealer location… have everything in 30-40 miles. Power reverser and some form of power shift. (3-4 power shifts on a gearbox) Cab comfort… I'm 6'3" , so I like a cab with headroom. A lot of new tractors just don't come close to the old stuff in cab height. Turning radius… some fwa tractors have too long of a wheelbase for short turns. Anything newer is going to be fwa. That's why I'm asking the question. That still leaves a lot of choices. |
Posted By: Oldred
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 10:06am
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I would be tempted to try a pre DEF Fendt. 2007-09 7000hrs about 80g. Neighbor had a RT120 and it was good but that forward rev paddle on the steering column kept screwing up. |
Posted By: tornado8070
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 10:18am
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Keep your 7000. ------------- 09’ DT205B, 08’ DT220A, 83' 8070 MFWD, 83’ 8070 85’ 8050 MFWD, 83' 8030, 82' 8010, 85’ 6080 MFWD, 84’ 6080, 79' 7020, 85' M3 RWD, 85' 920 diesel,AC C-50 forklift. |
Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 10:19am
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Id look for an RT series agco. We are in the process of looking for one right now to replace a 6080 and a 8010. Good tractors with a very reliable engine and no DEF or emissions. ------------- Making a living farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 10:41am
$100,000?  Well yeah, you have lot's of options to say the least! Take a few day trips and start trying out some stuff. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 11:46am
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6510 white or 6810 8775 AA or 8785AA have several out with close to 10,000 hours. If one can find them.. there is a MF equiv as well 4270 4370 etc
------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: hillmonkey
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 2:33pm
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http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/list/category/1100/tractors/manufacturer/agco/model/lt90a this one is nice and all "easy hours" -----------HAHA |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 2:38pm
| New Holland or Kubota. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 3:46pm
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My buddy was looking for a good used 100-120 hp. We spent 2 days driving over PA, did not find anything in our home state of VA. I got lucky and found a 1998 MF 6180, factory loader, FWA, 110 hp on the internet at Binkly/Hurst on a Saturday morning. I called my buddy and told him he better call as it wouldn't last long. We had tried one out from an invidual on a previous trip and liked it. But wanted to keep looking. Anyway he called and made the deal over the phone as long it was what as good as they said it was. We made the 4 hr trip Monday morning and man what a cherry! Original owner, 1510 hrs, kept inside, factory MF auto leveling loader, excellent condition! 32 speeds, shift on the go, shuttle shift, AC, heat, radio, and built very heavy duty in my opinion. Much better than the other brands we looked at. He has AC's and older Ford's but wanted something newer for the new Bale Barron he just ordered. Anyway, picked it up for less than $40,000 delivered. It has done a great job in the short period of time he has had it. Turns in a short radius also which we were both surprised. Perkins 6 cylinder turbo has plenty of power. Dealer said they have a customer nearby that has 2 of them with over 13,000 hours on them without any major repair needed. With that being said, don't laugh, but i would consider a 105 Mahindra. 105 hp, cab, loader, 5 year warranty can be had for $58,000. It is a 4 cylinder turbo, but i think they are CRD engines, no def. My compact is which is one of the main reasons I bought it new last year. I know it is still new but what a great little tractor. Does everything i need it to do. Has loader, belly mower, and backhoe. Just my 2 cents. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: JarrodACFan
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 5:41pm
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I would look for a pre-DEF AGCO RT series (Cummins/Sisu), Challenger MT5xx-B series (Cat), or Massey 7400? series (Perkins). They have the CVT transmission, which in my opinion would be great for round baling (and pretty much everything else). They have a left hand power shuttle, so when the baler gets full, just flip the shuttle to neutral. Then when you are ready to move again, put the shuttle in forward, poke the cruise control button, and you are back to full speed. The only time you ever need the clutch is when you start it in the morning. After that, just use the shuttle. I would never want to buy a powershift for a newer working tractor again. You should be able to find some pretty low hour tractors for way under $75k. They have a few issues, but they can be fixed and made to not be a problem. We just spent a couple thousand dollars on our RT150 fixing some electrical stuff, but now it ought to be good for a long while. In short, we love our RT and one ought to be like a spaceship compared to your 7000. Not saying the 7000 is a bad tractor, but these are roughly 30 years newer... ------------- 1956 WD45 Narrow Front Factory Power Steering, 1953 WD Wide Front Allis Express in Muncie, IN |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 5:48pm
| We have an AA 8785 110 pto HP that we like very well. Their a Massey Ferguson in orange paint. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 11:36pm
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AC720MAN : I've got a MF6180. (AA8785) I've hit my head so hard on the roof console so many times I thought my neck could break. The console is right in my line of sight and my head is normally in the roof hatch recess when driving. Other than doing the computer and service call (approx $3,000.00) and the leaking head gasket, rad, and oil cooler gasket, yes they work good. (I only had 1800 hours on mine when I bought it and shortly thereafter all heck started.) The 106" wheelbase does not turn as short as a 2wd 7000 and the floor hump when wet or covered in snow or ice can be dangerous as your foot slides out the door. Again, maybe this is more of an issue when a guy is taller. I'm using it for a loader tractor and it does have a good power to weight ratio compared to a 8010 and goes 24 mph down the road. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 11:42pm
| JarrodACFan: Does your RT have a flat floor? |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 11:47pm
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Does anyone run a Valtra? They're supposed to have a short wheelbase. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 8:49am
| I guess us Allis owners are spoiled considering the 80-10,30,50,70 fwd models have 96" wheelbase and can turn equally short as a 2wd. |
Posted By: JarrodACFan
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 7:08pm
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Yes, the RT floor is completely flat. I'll measure the height for you if you'd like me to. ------------- 1956 WD45 Narrow Front Factory Power Steering, 1953 WD Wide Front Allis Express in Muncie, IN |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 7:21pm
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We had a 7000 from 1976 to 1982 then traded for 7010 with ps. The 7010 had 20:8x38 and this tractor was a big improvement over the 7000. The 7010 was traded for 8010 fwd in 1984 and 6 months later the 8010 was traded for a new 8030 fwd which we used until 2000. The 8030 was one of the best Allis tractors that we farmed with. Good luck on your choice. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 7:45pm
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I'll likely get beat up a bit for this. I've had one green tractor for 35 years with the last one a used 2005 JD 7820 MWD IVT transmission, left hand reverser, large 1000 pto, small 1000, and 540 pto. IVT tractors come with the armrest controls including electronic SCV's PTO engagement is gentle. Pre emissions engine. Not a lot around because farmers are hanging on to them because of 8.1L pre emissions engine. I really like this tractor 165 hp. Three good dealers within less than half an hour. A good dealer is half your tractor. Everything else here is ORANGE! ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: charlesbendal
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 6:52am
| Our theory is buy a couple 8000 series and have plenty of money left for fuel and repairs. |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 4:35pm
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going to get strung up for this, but a 6430 deere would be a good tractor ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: kinghunter
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 6:42pm
| AA 7600 is what i went to. for baling. |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 9:46pm
| I really think Tbone has the right idea,, go and try out at all of em close to ya,, find out what tractor YOU like and a dealer YOU like and the go with it, now days, color don't count for much far as I'm concerned,,, dealer, parts, support.. and do ya like the guy?? |