Ford 4410
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Topic: Ford 4410
Posted By: Dan73
Subject: Ford 4410
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 8:59am
| I know it is a ford. But I need a good diesel tractor to hay with about 60 hp as they are soo much easier on fuel. There is one reasonably close to me that the price seems ok if a little high and ford parts are easy to get for a reasonable peice. I was interested in it because it has the 12 speed manual transmission which gives you alot of choices for field ground speed. I was wondering if anyone had used one and what their experience was with it. I also saw in the add that it has live hydraulic power but it doesn't say about the pto so I was wondering with that transmission if it has live pto or not. It is about 4 hours away from me so I am reluctant to just call and go look. Anyway just wondering if anyone has used one to bale small square bales. |
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 10:37am
| Been around several Fords but I've not heard of a model 4410. Are you sure it's not a 4610? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 10:42am
| It is a 4410 was marketed by ford as a woods or logging tractor because it has so many low gears. I think it was early 70s not sure. A friend of mine who is a ford guy claimed that the the diesel engine is very efficient. I just don't know much about them. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 10:49am
| I think they are blue and silver or white. does that help? |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 12:04pm
| Thanks but I was hoping to find a reason to look beyond the fact that it is blue... |
Posted By: 8050/8030/185
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 12:21pm
| Ford was always in the lower HP race. The problem with the Fords was a poor dealership network. Ford New Holland took care of the dealership network. We had a few larger Fords in my neighborhood and they seemed to do OK but just never caught on. A lot of the neighbors that had Fords in the 50s and 60s traded for MF tractors under 100 hp. Personally I would look at the 185 Allis, I really like mine, it isn't too big and not too small for a whole lot of jobs. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 12:32pm
| I would like a 180 or 185 but there aren't many around here and those aren't for sale. The fact that ford is part of CNH is one of the reasons I was interested in it I know I can get those parts. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 3:42pm
I like the early 4000 Fords and older. They're nice, but I like the red Fords better, as far as Fords are concerned. I just think they make great small chore tractors. I could care less about the newer/bigger ones. That's when you get an Allis!  For your purpose though, it sounds like it would be a good tractor for you, and like you said, parts are plentiful, should you need them.
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 3:48pm
| I was wondering how the pto and transmission actually work. Meaning can I change gears or from high to low without stopping the pto. That is what makes field work great with the d17 I can just switch from high to low while still running the pto. I missed that with the ih 574 I have been using this summer. |
Posted By: timr
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 4:26pm
| I'm trying to figure out what transmission is in it? I'm not seeing a 12 speed as an option. It's an industrial model so I'm just not familiar with it. If it has pto it would be independent or live with a 2 stage clutch. The 8 speeds are synchroed between 1 and 2, 3 and 4. I don't know what your budget is but you can find a 4000 or 5000 ford pretty reasonable these days. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 4:45pm
| I think I got it confused with something else it is a 8 speed transmission. Has two shifters looks to me to be a 4 speed with reverse with a high low shifter right beside it. Two stage clutch that is what I was wondering about those are tricky with a baler bouncing the tractor around. Might just hold off and see if a 180 I have my eyes on comes up for sale in a couple of years. The current owner of the 180 told me he only wants to hay a couple more summers. |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 6:01pm
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If it's really a 4110, they only came with the 8x2 tranny with a 540 independent PTO, if you get the model code off the sticker on the bottom of hood, or the three sets of numbers stamped on the bellhousing right above and to the rear of the starter I'd be happy to break it down for you to really know what it is. Joe ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: WNYBill
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 8:24am
| It is probably the 3 cyl. gas or diesel. They are a good, efficient engine. I have a 3 cyl 4000, the 4110 would just be a newer tractor. Mine has independent PTO and I am surprised the newer tractor wouldn't have it too. Have you looked on Tractor Data?. Two stage clutch works OK, you will have to come to a stop to shift gears. However the top half of the clutch is transmission and the bottom is transmission and PTO, so you can shift gears without stopping the PTO. Lots of parts for the Ford! |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 8:38am
| Thanks Bill that is what I was wondering about. I need to think about that clutch setup my uncle normally bales the hay and I don't think he likes those I think they had something with that clutch setup and claimed it failed quickly or was too easy to put the clutch too far down and break the sheerbolt. Part of me thinks I should just put the money into my d17 and buy the gas for another year. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 8:51am
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Pushing the clutch too far down disengaged the PTO from the engine, Dan. Letting the clutch out too fast shouldn't shear a bolt either as the flywheel is ahead of the shear bolt on a baler. MF used this type of setup and I don't remember it as being problematic. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 8:55am
| What he told me is that when a bunch of hay came in he would push the clutch in to slow the tractor and everything would go wrong. Probably plugged up the baler and then broke the sheerbolt when he tried to restart. I need to think about it some but I'd my uncle can't bale for me that will cost me my help. |
Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 9:16am
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As re the 2-stage clutch. Similar in function to Ford tractors (and many other brands), I had a 5040 with a mounted 6' mower and often would find it difficult to stop only the tractor. Didn't cause any major problems with it just being a mower, but can imagine being a PITA with a baler. Altho' I never carried it out, I thought about making an adjustable secondary "detent" that would make it harder to push the clutch in past the point where the ground drive was stopped, yet the PTO kept going. The adjustable detent would not require that much more effort, but enough for sensing when that point was reached. May be something to consider if the Ford becomes the choice. |
Posted By: bigredisb
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 10:51am
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Dan, some friends of mine are big Oliver guys as well and the 1650 Diesel (about 66 hp) I ran this weekend was a really nice tractor. It all depends on if you had a strong dealer network in area which helps finding them. Parts are starting to be a little bit of an issue but my friends have had had a lot of luck with the Waukesha diesel. Just stay away from the 00's as the hyrda power units cant be rebuilt on the early ones. I would prefer the 180 personally but just thought I would toss out another low cost option. ------------- 1961 Allis-Chalmers D15 1949 Farmall Super A |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 3:40pm
| Thanks guys for the time being I am going to pass on the Ford. The parts aspect sounded nice to me and the ground speeds looked good but I really don't want something that my uncle won't be confortable baling with. I can guess how that would work out it would become a backup to the d17 as my uncle likes the d17. Thanks again for all the input I am pretty sure in a couple if years I can pick up a 180 just up the road and then my budget will also allow for the higher cost of a nice 180. |