Feel stupid!
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Topic: Feel stupid!
Posted By: Hubnut
Subject: Feel stupid!
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 7:20pm
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Put the final drive with the rebuilt hand clutch back on (CA tractor). Put the rim/tire back on. Proceeded to drop a nut down into the hand clutch side final drive. Is this something I have to go after? It was a small nut (5/16). Or do you think I need to pull that drive and fish it out? It went down into the hand clutch hole--not the brake drum hole. ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 7:26pm
| Try a magnetic reacher tool? |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 7:29pm
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Was thinking exactly what DIYDAVE said. Seems like a magnetic tool would track the same as the nut.... ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 8:17pm
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Really no way to get the magnetic tool behind the drum. Dang!
------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 8:19pm
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I'd take it apart and retrieve it. Hate for that one little nut to mess up my new clutch. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 9:09pm
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AJ, I know you are right. I'll try to magnet it tomorrow and then pull the drive.
------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 9:58pm
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At least it's just the final drive. I had to take a whole tractor back apart to repaint it. Lesson learned the hard way. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 10:27pm
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First I would try a wire with a bend in the end and go fishing for it. Some days you can get lucky. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 10:37pm
| try a big magnet on the outside and see if you can make it climb back up where you can get ahold of it with a wire or another magnet. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 11:27pm
| Stick a strong magnet to your fishing wire.Bout gaurentee it. |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 11:29pm
 Mike------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
SteveM C/IL wrote:Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 7:53am
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Steve, Couple other long shots. I assume there is no oil in this chamber but I dont know? 1. Take a small flexible tube, and duct tape to your shop vac. 2. Use air pressure to blow the nut into a position you can grab with an magnet? 3. sticky tape on the end of a wire Hey I said they weer long shots.:) Seen a young man drop a 1/4-20 short bolt into the flywheel opening on a tractor the other day. I think we may just leave it there too. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 8:00am
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hmm.. PITA but... this is easy....just lift tractor, turn upside down, shake until the nut falls out... helps if you have a red 'S' on your chest..... cut me some slack....for me today is the 3rd ! 'Monday' this week.... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 8:04am
 Good one Jay ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 2:11pm
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Steve, I think Jay has he right approach to the problem! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 2:29pm
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I thought about Jay's idea, but felt a little weak today. I pulled the drive and found the offending nut. Glad I took the time. I appreciate the empathy. Steve http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5595_zpsllabsctv.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5596_zpsddjozwh8.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5597_zpsyjudhjxw.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Dave in PA
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 3:58pm
| You were worried about a small nut, and looking at the pictures, I see that the rear tire tread does not match! LOL Glad ya done the correct thing here!! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 6:58pm
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Hey Steve,,,you done the right thing,,,cause let me tell you even the littlest bolt, nut can do terrible damage,,,,, years ago, we had a Buick Electra that I was doin a carb kit on and one of the bolts on the btm of the dang Quadra-jet didn't get tightened ,,,,,,,and the thing fell into the manifold,,,and found it's way right to the top of the # 6 piston and one of the valves drove it into the side and cracked the top two ring lands,,,,VERY expensive repair,,,,!!!!! 
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Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 7:01pm
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Thanks Joe. It was bothering me! Dave, the mismatched tires are what I had. Same size and good tires--waste not want not. Steve ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 7:08pm
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I'm really happy for you too ! Sure,maybe, you could have left it in there, but a month from now....clunk, grind, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... you KNOW that little nut would have caused you a LOT of grief. Treat it as a 'learning experience'... next time.... drop the bolt !! Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 7:12pm
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Steve, Always amazed at your work and documentation! I give you extra credit for getting it back apart and retrieving the nut. Even when you aren't going for show quality, the tractors you do look very good! Expecting to see pictures of a little D series soon too! regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 7:13pm
| Yup glad you got it out... I agree with the tires so I have a pair of really ruff cracked tires on my d15 but they came with the tractor and where new left outside in the sun for years. Can't bring myself to throw them away too much tread to waste.... |
Posted By: MotorCityBear
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 7:24pm
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This is a bit late since you already retrieved it and I am not sure how big the opening is, but could a shop vac suck it back out of where it fell in? ------------- Rob 1953 AC B Kubota L3901 Blairsville, GA |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 13 May 2016 at 11:40pm
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I was thinking if he placed a magnet on the clutch pack, would it sucked up the nut and retrieved it top side by rotating the clutch? or threaded a wire under the clutch and then put the magnet in a plast ic bag and hook the wire to it and then pulled the bag down and around under the clutch and hoped it would grab the nut. Guess I would have tried blowing it out, Had a clearance light come out of the socket on a 92 f250 and fall down inside, amber bulb behind clear lense... looked awful... tried to fish it out but couldn't get anything in there that would grab it. so I took the air hose and aimed it from the edge and gave it some air and presto, it came flying out and hit some metal and broke. but it was out. LOL ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 5:41am
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The clearance is really tight--so tight I couldn't really get anything by the clutch. I really worried about the nut working it's way toward the brake drum, which isn't a perfect circle, and wedging between the drum/clutch and final drive casting. It could have caused some serious damage.
------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 2:47pm
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You did the right thing. Yes. it was a lot of work but the "what ifs" are worse. Looks like a good job on a CA. Let us see pictures as you progress. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 12:25pm
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Yep, the what if's are what cost the most $$$$$$$$$! Now that you have it all apart, it gives you a chance to clean all the rust and gunk out of that final. Good job to date Steve!! MORE PICS!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 12:33pm
| Look on the bright side. You have saved the expense of buying a replacement nut! |