D17 diesel disaster
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Topic: D17 diesel disaster
Posted By: darrel in ND
Subject: D17 diesel disaster
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 7:35pm
Got the head pulled off of my D17 diesel today, and it wasn't a pretty sight underneath it. Bad case of years of neglect. I bought it cheap a few months ago, but maybe not cheap enough. Story was that the engine had a major rebuild done to it many years ago, and very few hours were put on it before the owner passed away. Then it sat until I bought it. Engine was stuck; top of exhaust manifold is all rotted away, so a lot of water evidently got into it. Being an optimist, I did try to free it up, with no luck. Anyhow, with the head now off, most of the sleeves are terribly rusted beyond salvation. I didn't pull the oil pan yet to see what things look like on the bottom end. I am not sure what to do from here. I've heard horror stories about parts prices and availability for these engines. Just how bad is it? And if the bottom end turns out being good, is re-sleeving and re-ringing it a viable option, or just another disaster in the making? If memory serves me right (which it usually doesn't), someone had a D17 diesel engine for sale a while back; can anyone shed some light on that, as to whether it ever was or still is available? Suggestions, anyone....? Thanks, Darrel
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 7:57pm
I do remember seeing a d17 diesel engine not too long ago on here. Sorry I can't be more help than that. Sounds like a sad situation.
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Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 8:52pm
A guy can get pretty down about mechanical stuff, especially when tired or over whelmed with other things. Discouraged I think they call it... Its just time, nuts and bolts Darrel. I'd check out the main and con rod bearings. If that is all good I don't know why the engine could not be sleeved and ringed? My Dad had a 17 diesel, it was a great tractor, Trev.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 8:57pm
The parts are still easy to come by, it's the machine work needed to be reliable that's expensive. It can be fixed but will not be cheap. Somebody a while back posted a link to a specialty sleeve manufacturer that could make sleeves for anything and they made them with larger flanges to combat the sleeve dropping problem.
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2016 at 10:25pm
Try to save it if everything looks good down below. I love the smooth sound of that 6 cylinder Buda!
------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 12:17am
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 12:19am
Darrel You are not in trouble, call me sometime I might have a pointer or two that will help you can get the old D17 running again. Don (816) 914-0643
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 3:45am
Will do, Don. I almost hi jacked your D19 diesel thread, then decided I'd better start my own. Thanks, Darrel
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Posted By: Chuck(ONT)
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 7:50am
I think Don Dittmar had a D17D engine for sale.
------------- Never take life too seriously.
Nobody gets out alive anyway!
1C 1 WD45 1 AC180
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Posted By: Gatz in NE
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 8:53am
If you go the overhaul route; For sleeves, pistons/rings, bearings (Clevite) and other overhaul items, I had good experience with Don's Diesel out of Lawrence KS for the 262D
http://donsdiesel.com" rel="nofollow - http://donsdiesel.com
gatz
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 9:48am
Well Darrell let me tell you a story that I wouldn't believe if I hadn't seen it. A neighbor came up to the house pulling his 300 IH. Now what? My can blew off my muffler and got water in my motor and it's stuck. Well, we got out the penetrant, pry bars and I don't know what all, couldn't get it loosen up. Pulled the head and it was a mess. He reached into his pocket and pulled out his knife and went to scraping. You know he could peal that rust off slick as a whistle. We cleaned it up as good as we could, coated the old head gasket real good with copper seal and slapped it back together. It started up pretty easily and he went to the field and started to rake hay. I checked about an hour later and it was running fine, was not smoking or using oil and ran for years after that. That being said, since yours is a diesel I don't think I'd reuse the head gasket but you could try it if you wanted too. Now I know this is going to get some of our mechanic friends up in the air, but nothing tried nothing gained. If money is no problem then I recommend fixing it the best that I could. By the way with it setting as long as it has, water etc. I would sure drop the pan and take a good look at the bearings. These conditions can do strange things to bearings. Leon R Cmo
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Posted By: Scooterboy
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 9:57am
Lucky you, you are the newest member of the big headache $ money pit club !!! Let us know some year in the future which pit is the biggest!!!
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 10:21am
Scooterboy wrote:
Lucky you, you are the newest member of the big headache $ money pit club !!!Let us know some year in the future which pit is the biggest!!! | It would only depress all of us to compare those stories... I got one of them tractors that if I had known at the time I wouldn't have bought it. But honestly driving it today I am glad I did. Got way too much into it but in the end it does jobs that need doing. I think the trick to these things is to do what you can when you can and make sure you feel you will be getting what you want when it is done.
After reading that IH story I was just wondering if you could pull the sleeves and have a machine shop bore them for oversized rings. There must be someone who would know for sure. If the block is not split I think you can save it without getting too much money in it compiled to what she will do for you when done. I would love to have a nice d17 diesel. Someday maybe.
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Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 10:40am
Gatz in NE wrote:
If you go the overhaul route; For sleeves, pistons/rings, bearings (Clevite) and other overhaul items, I had good experience with Don's Diesel out of Lawrence KS for the 262D
http://donsdiesel.com" rel="nofollow - http://donsdiesel.com
gatz
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They are nice guys over there, I just called them and the bad news is they can't get piston and sleeve kits for the WD45 Diesel/D17/D19, they get them from the same place I get mine from so for right now they are on back-order, I think I have the last set for a D17 out there in the wild. lol If you guys know of a set in-stock (not just someone that shows having them for sale) I'd like a name or phone number.
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 12:12pm
I do have an early D17D engine for sale. Complete minus inj pimp and injectors. I want it gone so make me a reasonable offer
------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"
1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 1:40pm
Darrell here is some people to try: All States Ag Parts 877-530-4430. Prices do not look to bad for liner kits. Leon R Cmo
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 1:42pm
LeonR2013 wrote:
Darrell here is some people to try: All States Ag Parts 877-530-4430. Prices do not look to bad for liner kits. Leon R Cmo | I have ordered parts from there before they where good to me and the parts where in great condition.
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Posted By: alleyyooper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2016 at 8:02am
Have you given thought to a Gleaner engine? The 230 budha diesel is the same block too and I know of a WD45 with that engine in it.
Al
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2016 at 8:25am
Darrell, I had mine done several years ago, make sure you get the correct head gasket for the year engine you have. I did not and had to redo it. Had the head done too. All States ag parts shows a overhaul kit # 103566. This book is 3 years old so the price is probably not right. If you want to call them the # is 877-530-4430. I have gotten parts from them before and they were good.
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Posted By: Matt MN
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2016 at 11:28am
Here is another place to go through for parts,
http://www.agkits.com/allis-chalmers-d17-d262-inframe-overhaul-engine-rebuild-kit.aspx#.VvQS6_b2YdV" rel="nofollow - http://www.agkits.com/allis-chalmers-d17-d262-inframe-overhaul-engine-rebuild-kit.aspx#.VvQS6_b2YdV
we are in the process of going through our D19 right now, they are not a cheap motor..
------------- Unless your are the lead horse the scenery never changes!!
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Posted By: allis/cattle
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2016 at 1:32pm
i got a diesel d17 im parting out in the next month if you wanna come to canada it siezed sitting over winter i bought it for the rear end
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