What Am I Looking At Here
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Topic: What Am I Looking At Here
Posted By: Slim
Subject: What Am I Looking At Here
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 2:23pm
...what's going on with the wheels? ------------- AC 1971 170 WF Gas, AC 185 Diesel WF, AC WD NF, AC '54 WD45 NF, AC 7080, AC 7030, Wheel Horse D-180 Automatic |
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Posted By: Bill Deppe/AC Salvag
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 2:41pm
| Amish tractor |
Posted By: Slim
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 2:45pm
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Yeah, you're correct, but what's the point? -Slim ------------- AC 1971 170 WF Gas, AC 185 Diesel WF, AC WD NF, AC '54 WD45 NF, AC 7080, AC 7030, Wheel Horse D-180 Automatic |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 2:52pm
| not trapping any air in tires that's the point. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 2:55pm
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Flat free! Actually some cannot use rubber tired vehicles ------------- |
Posted By: Johnwilson_osf
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 2:57pm
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Steel tires are big business in the Lancaster PA area. I have seen tractors, balers, skid steers, and just about every other piece of machinery with steel wheels. ------------- Allis Express: Eastern PA on Rt 80 8050, 8010, 6080, 190, D14, DA 6035, AA 6690, 5650, Gleaner F2 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 3:07pm
| Funny to see brand new cab tractors on steel |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 4:12pm
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Yes, air is the "breath of God" so holding it in a closed vessel is a grave sin. In our area we have the hardcore horse and buggy Amish, Amish with modern farms with electricity and air tired tractors that they use for cars as well but no actual cars and they use horses on Sunday, and Mennonites that have cars but they're all black. We don't have any of the steel wheel tractors ones in our immediate area, but there are some 30-40 miles away. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 4:18pm
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Thank you DanD for pointing out WHY no air filled tires.... another mystery solved! now WHERE'S my kitten hiding ?? Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 4:35pm
| I've been told that a large population of amish in an area can almost bankrupt a community because most of real estate they own is actualy owned by the church so there is no property tax to pay. Don't know if it's true or not but it wouldn't surprise me if it is. Two things that I absolutly can't stand when I look at an item in a store are the words "Amish" and "Organic". Just part of the scam nowdays. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 4:36pm
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SO.........your nick name for you wife is kitten????? Some of the real staunch Amish around here can't even RIDE in a vehicle with rubber tires. Go figure.... If that's what your belief is. God is GREAT no matter which way you look at Him. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 4:46pm
It's what one of them told me once. I guess it makes sense. |
jaybmiller wrote:Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 4:49pm
I purposely don't buy dairy products (or most anything else) in the store labeled "Amish". I prefer that my milk was carried in a stainless steel line to an electrically powered refrigerated tank. In the Amish farms, it's put in a can and placed in a trough of water that is pretty much ambient temperature...even in June, July, and August and not picked up on Sunday! I will however buy a little garden produce from them. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 7:29am
| Amish tractor??? Hmm, the ones around here don't have them. Mennonites, yes, but not Amish. The Mennonites have electricity, cars, tractors, etc. They come and get the Amish kids and take the swimming and stuff. Our Amish will ride in cars. The will rig up an engine on a piece of equipment, say a baler, and then pull the baler with horses. None of them own any tractors or vehicles of any kind, air tires or not, just horse and buggy. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 8:07am
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The use of 'modern things' that obviously make life easier has become a 'slippery slope' for those very religious groups. I sduppose it's an 'intepretation' thing....? I wonder though about the use of tractors or any 'engine powered' device as doesn't that pollute the 'breath of God'? curious, don't mean to upset anyone. found the kitten..under the deck atop a pile of Roxul insulation ! He's a whole lot warmer than me this morning...thanks Shameless !! Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: macvette
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 8:46am
| Hope this thread keeps getting more information. Very interesting for me. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 9:13am
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if you ever do business with Zimmerman Tractor in Versailles MO, they are Mennonite i believe. They have a farm that is on the same property as their crawler salvage business. The have newer tractors with steel wheels. I found interesting that they had a service trailer on air tires hooked to steel wheel tractor. guess they dont ride on trailer? They did a very nice conversion on a TD9 crawler, 5.9 cummins, pto, and 3-4 hydraulic remotes they farm with it. Showed me pictures of pulling a field cutter in wet ground with it. Very neat and well done. Buggy parked up by the house last time i was there.
------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 9:23am
Well, they've been around here since the early 80's, and I've never been able to follow their "logic"! haha When they first moved here back then, some hated them. Really really hated them. 1 guy tried to wipe out their cattle herd with poison. I've seen others hire them for various tasks and just treat them like something you'd scrape off your shoe. It's sad. |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 10:19am
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The Amish around here have carts to pull behind their horses that have a engine with a PTO shaft adapter thing on it, then they hook it up to hay equipment like a tedder or baler and pull it with their horses. Also, since they aren't allowed to have rubber tires, they have a LOT of treaded skid-steers. ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 10:48am
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There are many different variations of Mennonites and Amish, to be honest I am Mennonite but I have all the modern convienences I'm no different than anyone else on here meeting face to face. I work for a different type of Mennonite called conservative Mennonite we run all fancy new Deere equipment and nice vehicles but no television or common radio. Up here in our area there is a few Amish north of us. I have family in the heart of Amish country in Kidron Ohio. Some church's allow Amish to have one skid steer, other groups allow one tractor under 100 hp no cab, no 4wd. It all depends on the church or the group on what they are allowed to have. It's all up to the head bishops of the church. ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 11:31am
I thought that it was all up to the head of the church, and it is very interesting, when driving. One minute you will be going along and the Amish will have one thing, then the next minute the amish that you are passing will have 25 other things........as you change jurisdictions, i guess ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 2:30pm
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But they can ride bicycles with air filled tires. Tom
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 3:13pm
| Amish would be welcome to move in next to me anytime, be better than the drug using welfare bunch that lives there now!! |
Posted By: skateboarder68
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 5:24pm
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I'll never forget the time i took a full load of rebar to an Amish man north of Charles City, IA. Full load being 48,000 lbs on a flatbed semi. He unloaded me with a New Holland skid steer with a cab and rubber tracks!! I parked out on the gravel road and he came down the drive each time and took one bundle at a time. When i got empty he asked me if i could pull ahead some as his wife was going to be heading to town. I do so and pretty soon i see her leave. . . in a horse and buggy. Go figure ------------- Orange & Silver still earnin their keep on the farm: R62, Series IV D17 nf, 185, 6080, 6080 fwa, 220, 1968 D21, 7045, DT240. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 6:42pm
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What's an Amish woman's fantasy? Two mennonite...
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 7:01pm
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But they can ride bicycles with air filled tires. really ???? How is that possible ??? If they can do they drive tractors and cars ?? maybe a different subgroup or whatever ?? Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: marion
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 7:14pm
| about35 or 40 years ago I worked at Kentucky fried chicken, and worked part time at a nursery in town. late one summer we had a couple amish girls early 20's older than me helping pot plants. Once we crossed the threshold of coming from different centuries was very enjoyable, and incredibly interesting to talk to. One day I brought them Kentucky fried chicken for lunch. Needless to say that was a big treat, next time we worked they had gotten up before milking and baked me some sugar cookies in a wood stove. Best cookies I ever had. Their community was dwindling here and they were all heading back to pa.I only knew them for about 2 weeks, and before she rode off in the sunset in her buggy, the most outgoing girl told me she would love to have a car and a pair of blue jeans. If I hadn't gotten in on tail end of things I might have me an amish bride today. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 8:08pm
| Funny when I read the reason all I could think is if you fill the tires with the breath of God wouldn't that be a good thing it would provide a layer of protection between your tractor and any evil it might incounter..... sorry in advance if I offended anyone. |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 9:54pm
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Just as WD45 DIESEL57 said, it all depends on what church they attend. The church tells them what they can and can not have. When I was a kid, the only minnonites around here were in Todd county. They had electricity, lived in nice homes, farmed several acres, had hog or chicken houses. Depending on the church, some could not have tractors over 70 hp, some no tractors over 100 hp, and some could have whatever size of tractor or combine they wanted. There were some Miller Brothers that had 4 articulated 4x4 tractors and 3 case 1480 combines hack then. And a whole Hassel of all size tractors and equipment. But they drove tractors to town. Then we had some old order minnonites move in here. They farm with mules or horses, all implements on steel, they have fore carts with motors that they pull disc mowers, tedders, bush hogs and spreaders with. Their hay baler have motors on them. They can have one tractor with steel wheels big enough to run the stationary chopper and blower to fill the silos. Usually one tractor is shared by several families. These have to travel by horse and buggy on the roads. Then there was a bunch like the ones above, but they could work tractors and combines in the fields, but they had to have steel wheels. I have sold some tractors and implements to this group. They will tell you that you can have the tires back. This group has to use horse and buggy to travel down the road. And lastly, Amish. A whole lot different in some ways. Farm with mules or horses, they too have the forecart with the motor for pto implements. And motors on their balers. With all steel wheels, and they too share one larger tractor on steel to chop and blow the silage at the stationary chopper. It is cut and loaded with mules and hauled to the chopper. These do mostly milking, tobacco, cattle or strictly vegetables and such. They are as a whole group, more dirty, but not every one of them. Some of these will not use any modern tools to build barns and such, they still hand drill and drive pegs. Needless to say, we have been surrounded now, and they are still moving in. They are just like anyone else, 95% of them are good likeable folks, but that 5% give the rest a bad name. oh yea, around here anyway, the way to tell Amish from minnonites, Amish wear black coats, pants and vest if they have on a vest, dark blue shirts, black hats in winter, straw hats in summer. And they usually are not wearing shoes unless it is about zero. Old order Minnonites wear blue jeans material coats and pants with a pale green or very light blue shirt. Regular minnonites wear about the same clothes we wear. If any of them are married, they have a beard. Not married, no beard. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 10:11pm
| I have met several families of menenites and amish thru the years, and have enjoyed their company and conversations. usually takes a bit to get any conversation started, but when they see i'm not a threat to them, then it's all fine! I did get an name and address of one family and sent them a friendship card by mail once, but never got a reply back, don't know if that was something they don't do? but that's o-k! I do know that it's easier to break the ice with them if you have a pet dog with you, they all seem to love animals, and it makes it an easier start! no Ted...i'm not talking about "Chester the molester"! lol there has been a new Menenite (spelling) church built just down the road from me about a mile, but I never see any activity there and don't know where the members live or what they do around here. would it be for traveling members? I have also searched the web on farm equipment dealers throughout the USA and have never seen any equipment for sale with the steel wheels on them, except for the real old antique stuff our grand dads used to farm with. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 10:19pm
| I guess the reason i'm even typing this info...it's anothers way of doing the same thing a lot of us do, just a different way of farming practices! and that intrigues me! no different than me looking at someone over seas farming rice, or Canada farming canola, or anywhere raising different crops and using different ways of planting and harvesting ANYTHING! I've always enjoyed looking and watching all that! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2016 at 11:43pm
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I bought a book about the Amish years ago in Kidron, Ohio. One of the stories I remember from it was the owner of a small furniture shop. He wanted to get a fax machine so asked the local bishop if that would be OK. Bishop talked to his group and came back and told him, Since you got a telephone a couple years ago, we think you might be pushing the envelope a bit too much, maybe next year." I think on that same trip I saw a young Amish man (teenager) wearing black in a brand new JD 2950 with a cab, rubber tires, pulling a JD grain drill, also on rubber. He was grinning ear to ear! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: GARY(OH/IN)
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 2:01am
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On paying property taxes, in my experience, in both Ohio and Indiana, the Amish do pay taxes. The dwellings have deletions for no electric, plumbing, and central heating. Most around here are carpenters and have mini farms. They will have an Englishman that owns a van and the power tools pick them up at their house. I've often seen them working over 50 miles from home. Saw three putting steel siding on in the pouring rain last fall. Some years ago I did a new construction appraisal for taxes at the Hitzer wood stove company near Decatur, Indiana. Was told an Amish and an Englishman owned it together with power equipment owned by the latter. Interesting to see all Amish employees running shears and brakes, grinding and welding. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 2:25am
| years ago when one of the "stockholders" lived near Chicago, he rented a space out behind his house to 2 amish boys to stash a car there. they would ride a hard rubber tired bicycles there, jump in a car and GO! pretty soon they'd be back, and ride off on their bikes! |