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Topic: Slammed Allis "B"
Posted By: Slammed Allis
Subject: Slammed Allis "B"
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:51pm
I'm new to this site, but I figure this would be a great place to post my latest build. My slammed 1939 Allis Chalmers B.  This was featured and unveiled at this year's SEMA show in Las Vegas.  SEMA is the world's largest automotive trade show held every year in Vegas.  Hope you like our version of a lowered Allis B. 



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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:17pm
Welcome to the BEST tractor site on the web but, you gotta post pictures to introduce your B. Big smile

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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:27pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:30pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:43pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:44pm


Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:47pm
that is cool.... show us the brake set up - any trans work?

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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:50pm

  Thumbs Up


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Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF


Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:51pm
I love it. The grill tipped out at the top is cool. I like the rear wheels also.  Custom manifold with short straight pipes is sharp.  Over all great custom look.

I guess the grill only looks like it is tipped in one picture. Head light brackets are neat also.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:56pm
sure is sweeeeeeeet !!
would love to see pictures of the rear end, seat and just how those mean rear were attached !

jay



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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:05pm


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:06pm


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:29pm
Engine and transmission are stock. 
Rear final drives were flipped with modified axles and hubs.  
Steering box is a new modified reversed Chevy Corvair style manual gear box 
Front wheels are original
Rear Wheels are custom made basically 22.5 semi truck rims and tires.
Auto Meter guages relocated to custom dash
K&N air filter
12V charging system
Relocated battery under seat
Custom built steering column
Custom built headers and intake
Modified Hairpin radius rods
Custom built rear fenders
Removable steering wheel
Custom built adjustable seat with cup holder
1/4" diamond plate floor boards
Choke and throttle controls relocated next to seat
Foot brake pedal built to mirror clutch pedal
Hood patched for a clean finish
Custom built head light brackets
2" hitch on rear end

And the list goes on...




Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:35pm
Very nice work!!Thumbs Up


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:49pm
Yep, That is REALLY SWEET!!!
GREAT job!
What possessed you to do this?
Where in WI are you located?


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:50pm
By the way Eric,

to the greatest forum on the web!



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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 5:55pm
does it jump up and down at red lights?

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:00pm
Welcome!
The slammed 'B' is awesome! Love the look! Any in process pictures would be well received too. Any thoughts of a lowered WD?
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:03pm
That is just plain COOOOOOL!!!!

Awsome job you did!! Welcome to the forum!!


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by Ted J Ted J wrote:

Yep, That is REALLY SWEET!!!
GREAT job!
What possessed you to do this?
Where in WI are you located?

I've seen pictures of a couple lowered B's and thought I can do that.  What made it really come to life faster was an email from a high performance spring company out of Detroit (PAC Racing Springs) who saw a picture of it in the early stages of being lowered on my Facebook page (Old Iron Garage).  After some emails back and forth they basically commissioned me to build it and have it ready for the 2015 SEMA show to display in their booth. 

North of Milwaukee 40 min


Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:08pm
Man that is Soooo cool!  I love it!  Outstanding work.

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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia"
1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick"
1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie"
1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie"
1972 314H


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:15pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:20pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:20pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:21pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:21pm


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by Hubnut Hubnut wrote:

Man that is Soooo cool!  I love it!  Outstanding work.

Thanks!Thumbs Up


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:26pm
No question,it is WAY COOL!! You do quality work as well.Congratulations!


Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:35pm
I wish I could hear it run.  Do you have a video by chance?  Sweet!

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1940 B "Lucy"
1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia"
1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick"
1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie"
1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie"
1972 314H


Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:36pm
Excellent work , Love it !!! Welcome to the site . Whats it sound like with the open pipes ?

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You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails

1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF.


Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:50pm
Was that the one in farm show magazine last issue. ...? Darrel


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by darrel in ND darrel in ND wrote:

Was that the one in farm show magazine last issue. ...? Darrel

Yes it was


Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:04pm
Nice work sir! I'd love to hear it also

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Allis Express North Georgia
41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's,
Ford 345C TLB


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:09pm
I saw a squat B at Madison SD, probably in 2011. I thought I posted a picture on this forum but haven't found it.It doesn't appear to be on this computer either. I'll dig some more.

Gerald J.


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:15pm
Sure would love to see it at Hutchinson. That looks good enough that a toy of it should be made.

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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:23pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:23pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:24pm


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Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:24pm


Posted By: macvette
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:29pm
WOW!  That is so cool!  

Welcome to the best AC forum.

You sure made a heck of a splash with your first post.   Will take something pretty drastic to top it.


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:30pm
If you had it at Vegas, did you stop by the Bonneville Salt Flats and run it through the speed trials. It looks as if it might do a 195 mph.

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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:39pm
I saw something like it at Madison SD in 2011. I posted pictures on this forum in 2014.
http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86803&KW=madison&PID=687593&title=hot-rodded-b#687593" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=86803&KW=madison&PID=687593&title=hot-rodded-b#687593

Gerald J.





Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:42pm
All, Thank you for the kind remarks!  Couldn't have done it without the help from my dad and brothers.  We put a ton of hours in to get it done in 10 months.  

I'm having trouble downloading some video clips right now so for those that want to hear it run, I have some clips on my Facebook page or Instagram page @ Old Iron Garage.  I'll work on getting them on here. 


Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 8:02pm
Very cool. There's a lowered B that comes to the white river valley show in Elnora always enjoy seeing it.

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1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV


Posted By: oldways
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 8:05pm
Very cool. There's a lowered B that comes to the white river valley show in Elnora always enjoy seeing it. Saw your article in farm show also.

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1 Corinthians 1:18 1969-190xt-III. 1966 190xt gas. 1966 190xt Cab. 1948-G. 1937-WC unstyled. 1950-B. 1951-CA. 1966-D17-IV


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 9:01pm
Eric,
Beautiful job man! Being a hotrodder myself, this has to be the best lowered B yet with such a nice tasteful use of hotrod ingenuity I've seen so far! Love the Headlight stands, and the custom exhaust. But the hairpins man blow me away! Love the use of the hairpin radious rods. True vintage hotrod look right dare!  Thanks for sharin' the pics with the Orange family. Speaking of the Orange family, welcome to the Orange family! Best damn AC site on the planet!  You got a winner there for sure.  Congrats on a super job and a super B!
Steve@B&B


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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 10:11pm
that is a great job done! thanks for posting it and welcome to the forum! maybe you will inspire others on here to experiment on things!


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 7:38am


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Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 7:48am


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:56am
I like the in "B" progress pictures! Thanks for posting them!The results look awesome.
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by JoeM(GA) JoeM(GA) wrote:

Nice work sir! I'd love to hear it also


Thumbs up Slammed Allis!
I am especially interested in how you made the exhaust and intake manifolds and zoomies! Amazing!

Mike

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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:43pm


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Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:44pm


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Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:48pm


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Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:51pm


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Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:53pm


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Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:54pm


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:58pm
I like the turned down pipes. They make me think of the P40 and the P51 Mustangs. I see something new every time I revisit your post. Very Cool.

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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C


Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 7:23am
VERY nice the way you have documented it with pics!!  Keep em coming!
Any ideas how many man hours you guys have in it?


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 8:10am
That thing is just so cool on so many levels. NICE WORK! Thumbs Up


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 8:36am
Thank you all so much for the positive feedback!! I will continue to post up build pictures.  I have no idea how many hours this took us, but we did start January 2015 and finished October 2015.  All while working a day job, doing the husband and dad thing, and moving into a new house.  Many many late nights, long weekends, and vacations to complete this project for given deadline of October 10th 2015.  Definitely couldn't have done it without the help from Dad and my two brothers.


Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 9:09am
The things they do with my favorite.  I really wish Pop could see it.  Probably better he does not though he did not like modification.
Great Job!!
Looks Great!!
Good Luck!
Bill Long


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 6:40am
Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

does it jump up and down at red lights?

LOL I wish! It's low and still slow


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 6:42am
Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

Sure would love to see it at Hutchinson. That looks good enough that a toy of it should be made.

That would be so cool to have a toy version!


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 6:44am
Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

If you had it at Vegas, did you stop by the Bonneville Salt Flats and run it through the speed trials. It looks as if it might do a 195 mph.

That would've been a great picture sitting at the salt flats! Defiantly looks fast, but unfortunately it's still as slow as the day it rolled off the assembly line.  


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 6:46am
Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

I like the turned down pipes. They make me think of the P40 and the P51 Mustangs. I see something new every time I revisit your post. Very Cool.

I did look up pictures of those old Mustangs and 60's front engine dragsters to get some inspiration.


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 6:52am
Originally posted by Steve in NJ Steve in NJ wrote:

Eric,
Beautiful job man! Being a hotrodder myself, this has to be the best lowered B yet with such a nice tasteful use of hotrod ingenuity I've seen so far! Love the Headlight stands, and the custom exhaust. But the hairpins man blow me away! Love the use of the hairpin radious rods. True vintage hotrod look right dare!  Thanks for sharin' the pics with the Orange family. Speaking of the Orange family, welcome to the Orange family! Best damn AC site on the planet!  You got a winner there for sure.  Congrats on a super job and a super B!
Steve@B&B

Thank you Steve, 
I really liked the look of other lowered B's, but I wanted mine to stand out from the rest. So we made a ton of suttle changes to make it our own.  Old P40 Mustangs, 60's front engine dragsters, and 30's Ford Hot rods were my inspiration.  


Posted By: TomMN
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 10:32am
Those special touches you added really set it apart from the other low riders.  It would certainly turn heads anywhere it shows up.  Great job!


Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 1:31pm
I think I have ask before - have not done any research - can any of you gear heads come up with a "road gear" for these B, C ' s?

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When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 4:54pm
Not internally. A 2 speed box in front of the transmission would be a nice touch !

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: skeeters65
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by tbran tbran wrote:

I think I have ask before - have not done any research - can any of you gear heads come up with a "road gear" for these B, C ' s?


I am trying to figure this out now. I drive my tractor all around town and it NEEDS to be faster. Not sure I want to do a motor swap but that's an easy way to get more RPM's.
Any ideas guys?


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 8:16pm
Taller tires. Stronger governor spring. Taller tires on an axle without the bull gears. Would have to make sure the differential ring and pinion were turned right for forward travel. Lower ratio in the differential ring and pinion. Lower ratio in the bull gear drive.

Big down hill coasting out of gear.

Going faster the front steering will have to be tighter, good spindle bearings, and tight tie rod ends as well as solid drag links to stabilize the front axle.

Gerald J.


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 8:53pm


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Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 8:56pm


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Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 9:03pm


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Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 9:11pm


Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by tbran tbran wrote:

I think I have ask before - have not done any research - can any of you gear heads come up with a "road gear" for these B, C ' s?

Any reason the bull gear reduction system couldn't be replaced with an internal 1:1 or 2:1 chain drive and the differential flipped to get things moving the right way again so it keeps its stock looking axle layout? 

I'm guessing with 20ish engine HP this thing isn't going to be seeing any major long distance high speed driving that would be a long term wear issue for a hidden chain drive. Especially ones running in a lube bath.

Just asking. 


Posted By: Ethan Souerdike
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 10:00pm
Sweet ride!

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If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 10:18pm
I have a question about the braces from the bell housing to the front axle. On other tractors, the front end bracing pivot point is in line with the front end pivot point. Yours is not. Is yours spring loaded somehow and I am not seeing it. It appears to me yours would bind up when the front axle have to flex up on one side and down on the other. 

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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 6:25am
Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

I have a question about the braces from the bell housing to the front axle. On other tractors, the front end bracing pivot point is in line with the front end pivot point. Yours is not. Is yours spring loaded somehow and I am not seeing it. It appears to me yours would bind up when the front axle have to flex up on one side and down on the other. 

Heim joints are on the ends of the hair pin radius rods to allow the front axle to pivot.


Posted By: Josh(NE)
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 7:07pm
Awesome job! Have you thought about what your next project will be? You are very talented.

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Allis Express
'65 190XT, 37 B, '72 170, '83 8030, and the IH 560 was a mistake


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 9:58pm


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 10:01pm
This was my build prior to the Allis Chalmers.  My 1952 Ford 8N after a 4 year restoration. (my first tractor and restoration)


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 10:10pm


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2016 at 10:12pm
My current project a 48' Ford 8N with a Ford 460 big block V8 conversion


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 2:56pm
For anyone that will be in the Milwaukee area February 19th ,20th, and 21st, I'll have the "slammed allis" at Wisconsin State Fair Park for Autorama's World of Wheels show. Stop on by!


Posted By: pecanman
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2016 at 3:32pm
That is one of the best show tractors I have ever seen. I love it. Where can I get a set of headers like that?


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 8:18am
Originally posted by pecanman pecanman wrote:

That is one of the best show tractors I have ever seen. I love it. Where can I get a set of headers like that?


Thanks! I actually built those headers myself.  If you look at page 2 I have some pictures building them.


Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 9:45am
Gonna be pulling with the 8N in reverse? The tires are backwards.

Gerald J.


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 11:19am
Please post pictures of the Ford when it's done. Will it be painted Boss yellow? Shelby Cobra or GT500 blue white stripes? A wooden steering wheel might be nice. Will the headlights be cut into the grill and covered in clear plastic like the GT40's were? I could see a hood scoop from the early Thunderbird.

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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 11:49am
just one..it'll go in circles !! lol

bro kept telling me to put the flatheadV8 in the 8N I had......
jay



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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2016 at 11:58am
Originally posted by Slammed Allis Slammed Allis wrote:


Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

I have a question about the braces from the bell housing to the front axle. On other tractors, the front end bracing pivot point is in line with the front end pivot point. Yours is not. Is yours spring loaded somehow and I am not seeing it. It appears to me yours would bind up when the front axle have to flex up on one side and down on the other. 


Heim joints are on the ends of the hair pin radius rods to allow the front axle to pivot.


Unit3's question wasn't wether the hairpin rods could pivot, it was that the pivot point of the front axle is LOWER than the pivot point of your radius rods. Since the pivots are not on the same plane, the angle at which the radius rods will swing, is not in the same axis as the axle's articulation path, thus, will bind.

Short answer is that, at this point, it is inconsequential. If you were doing something that required substantial articulation, it might wind up being a concern.

The LONG answer, however, is that the axle pivot and radius rods pivot tolerances are probably not tight enough to pose any substantial restriction for this purpose. When the axle swings up on the right side, it swings down on the left, the result is that the right side radius rod will push the right side of the axle forward. At the same time, the left radius rod pulls back, pulling the front axle rearward, so the axle in effect, bows to the left... and in opposite articulation, swings right.

One could calculate the deflection with simple trig. From a suspension purist standpoint, one could issue concern, but the radius arm pivot needs to be not just coplanar to the axle's articulation path, it needs to be COAXIAL to the axle pivot, in order to swing without imposing deflection. The difference is really an ag-tractor thing- In vehicle suspension, the solid axle sits on springs, not a rigid center pivot, so axle position will move according to radius rod and panhard rods. In a tractor, that pivot is fixed, so it's a bird of totally different feather. From a suspension-purist's standpoint, the classic solid-axle semi-elliptic radius and panhard suspension was far from perfect as well, so it's not like it really matters... it's a hot-rod for Chalmers' Sake...

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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 9:28pm
Originally posted by Gerald J. Gerald J. wrote:

Gonna be pulling with the 8N in reverse? The tires are backwards.

Gerald J.


I don't plan on pulling, those rims and tires are just for mock-up.


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

Please post pictures of the Ford when it's done. Will it be painted Boss yellow? Shelby Cobra or GT500 blue white stripes? A wooden steering wheel might be nice. Will the headlights be cut into the grill and covered in clear plastic like the GT40's were? I could see a hood scoop from the early Thunderbird.


Not too sure of those types of details yet, I just want it running at this point.

Good suggestions though!


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 9:34pm
Originally posted by DaveKamp DaveKamp wrote:

Originally posted by Slammed Allis Slammed Allis wrote:


Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

I have a question about the braces from the bell housing to the front axle. On other tractors, the front end bracing pivot point is in line with the front end pivot point. Yours is not. Is yours spring loaded somehow and I am not seeing it. It appears to me yours would bind up when the front axle have to flex up on one side and down on the other. 


Heim joints are on the ends of the hair pin radius rods to allow the front axle to pivot.


Unit3's question wasn't wether the hairpin rods could pivot, it was that the pivot point of the front axle is LOWER than the pivot point of your radius rods. Since the pivots are not on the same plane, the angle at which the radius rods will swing, is not in the same axis as the axle's articulation path, thus, will bind.

Short answer is that, at this point, it is inconsequential. If you were doing something that required substantial articulation, it might wind up being a concern.

The LONG answer, however, is that the axle pivot and radius rods pivot tolerances are probably not tight enough to pose any substantial restriction for this purpose. When the axle swings up on the right side, it swings down on the left, the result is that the right side radius rod will push the right side of the axle forward. At the same time, the left radius rod pulls back, pulling the front axle rearward, so the axle in effect, bows to the left... and in opposite articulation, swings right.

One could calculate the deflection with simple trig. From a suspension purist standpoint, one could issue concern, but the radius arm pivot needs to be not just coplanar to the axle's articulation path, it needs to be COAXIAL to the axle pivot, in order to swing without imposing deflection. The difference is really an ag-tractor thing- In vehicle suspension, the solid axle sits on springs, not a rigid center pivot, so axle position will move according to radius rod and panhard rods. In a tractor, that pivot is fixed, so it's a bird of totally different feather. From a suspension-purist's standpoint, the classic solid-axle semi-elliptic radius and panhard suspension was far from perfect as well, so it's not like it really matters... it's a hot-rod for Chalmers' Sake...


Wow you guys are looking waayyy too far into this,  Functionality went out the window the day I brought it home.  I built this thing for show that will never see a field ever again. 


Posted By: kinghunter
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 10:06pm
from someone who has 3 1970's  model show vehicles i just want to say you did a awsome job. some have a hard time understanding a show vehicle. there not for function there for SHOW>. great job and i'm just happy you picked a Allis . 


Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 10:42pm
Hold on now, just because I don't understand how the front end linkages work don't mean much. Lots of things in the Bible I don't understand either, but I still believe in the bigger picture. I love your low rider "B". It ranks up there with the 6080nf, the 8550 repowered with the 844, and a picture of a 220FWA and a 4W220 side by side. Nothing I will ever build will be invited in at a show like this. Plowing, cultivating tall corn, or running a belly mower, your "B" will not be my first choice, but driving to the DQ for some ice cream on warm summer day, oh yah.

I have an arch frame wide front. Seeing your "B" make me wonder if this could be done to a "WC".

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2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2016 at 7:38am
Originally posted by Unit3 Unit3 wrote:

Hold on now, just because I don't understand how the front end linkages work don't mean much. Lots of things in the Bible I don't understand either, but I still believe in the bigger picture. I love your low rider "B". It ranks up there with the 6080nf, the 8550 repowered with the 844, and a picture of a 220FWA and a 4W220 side by side. Nothing I will ever build will be invited in at a show like this. Plowing, cultivating tall corn, or running a belly mower, your "B" will not be my first choice, but driving to the DQ for some ice cream on warm summer day, oh yah.

I have an arch frame wide front. Seeing your "B" make me wonder if this could be done to a "WC".

Thanks! Thumbs Up


Posted By: Slammed Allis
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2016 at 6:59pm
So I'm filling out the calendar and need a few suggestions on local shows that would appreciate this build.  I'm about an hour north of Milwaukee WI. 




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