the engine donor
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Topic: the engine donor
Posted By: jaybmiller
Subject: the engine donor
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 2:41pm
OK, as some may know my A-C Buda diesel FL50 needs to be rebuilt but a Cockshutt 30 has a gas engine that'll 'drop right in', so here's the 'donor'. ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 3:02pm
| Boy that is a pretty tractor to be pulling the motor out of. I would be tempted to bight the bullet and fix the diesel of course I like a diesel anyway. |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 3:20pm
| geeze that poor cockshutt |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 5:28pm
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Dan73: I was quoted $5000 to redo the Buda diesel,so I'm onto plan 'B'....but if you want to rebuild the engine......... I know I'm sitting on a fence over this, seeing how the Cockshutt was made 20 miles from here and is 100% operational BUT I need a good reliable forklift and in 3 years have not found another engine or a reasonable replacement.sigh... PS. wife's away for a few more days...then the fan will get 'sticky'..... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 5:37pm
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I never saw a Cockshutt when I was on the farm, but I think they're classics in and of themselves. I'd look elsewhere for a motor. There has to be several floating around. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 5:42pm
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Jay I still haven't finished rebuilding my d15 I started 3 years ago. Seems like life keeps getting in the way. I actually got the new hydraulic system plumbed up the other day. Only to find that the guy who rebuild my loader and added a quick hitch to it messed up and the hitch bottomed out on the loader arms and snapped off the end of the loader arms. Needless to say I am more then a little upset about that. If I get my loader arms fixed and get the power steering control valve fixed fix the one flat tire I think it will be done or atleast in the field brush hogging. There are other issues but that is all that I think is stopping me. So long story short I would love the diesel but I don't have that kind of time or money to put into it. I don't know what I would do in your place. I just know I would do alot of head scratching if the other tractor was good. But we do what we have to do. And if you get a tractor you need up and running it is worth it in the end. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 6:34pm
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Cockshutt 30 engine is Buda gas and is supposed to 'drop in place' of the tired old Buda diesel in my A-C forklift.Already have 4 D-14s so I really don't need another tractor.Did I just type that ??!! The FL is far more useful but a B to start now that weather is cool(when the white stuff comes, it don't start at all). Converting to gas solves the problem and I KNOW it'll be a chore. 4000# counter weight will be 'fun' to remove(step 4 of 50...) I haven't found a RUNNING engine locally,and it HAS to be running NOT in 4 boxes in PEI. Heck I'd trade the 30 and the diesel for a good GAS engine installed,sigh...in the meantime I've got 3 more 'D-14 sheds' to build with a rotator cuff injury..double sigh. Jay guy between rock and a hard place,on the teeter totter,on the picket fence,.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 7:33pm
| LEAVE that Cockshut alone! (damn...i'm gonna have nightmares tonight thinking about this!) drop a chevy motor in that Allis instead! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 9:01pm
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Shameless.. you haven't SEEN how little room there is inside the A-C forklift ! I did _think_ about putting 2 15HP 'offshore' OHV engines in though, one to run the drive, the other the hydraulics. Seems OK ..only $1000 for all parts, bit of machining to get all to fit,but.... Putting the 30 engine in might be the 'cleanest' way to go.... unless someone else 'fixes' the diesel or drops in a good engine, then they'd get the 30 for free.... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: ctbowles58
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 9:05pm
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you will be sorry, fix the diesel. ------------- 190XT 2WD45 WF D15 D14 CA BIG10 302 & 303 bailers 77G rake 80R mower 6 plows and alot more |
Posted By: Brian-KS
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 9:11pm
 How many signatures will it take to save the Cockshutt?
------------- EAT BEEF! |
Posted By: ICTRCTR
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 9:28pm
leave the Cockshut alone, get rid of a couple of the D-14. take that money and fix the diesel. lots more D-14 around than the Cockshuts . Several years ago an orignal 30 in Kansas on auction bought $4250.
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 10:15pm
| you have my signature! |
Posted By: jorstad brothers
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 10:23pm
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try biewers tractor salvage he might have a running engine out. ------------- remember plunder than burn |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 10:25pm
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Scrap the lift find another. I fix forklifts for a living and its not worth holding onto an ac. There is nearly zero parts availability. These are not grampa's tractor that people held on to, they were tools and carry no heritage to the companies that make them. $5k should buy you a early 90's 5000lb pneumatic lift truck. ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 6:03am
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I hear you guys, that's why I'm sitting on the fence over it ! Reasonable forklifts are rare up here,esp. less than 5K.Can't fix diesel as it's 5K as well.Never considered selling 2 D-14s though I suppose I might get $2500 for 2 of them,that's only 1/2 way to the magic 5K(before taxes of 15% though). I KNOW it'll be a nightmare to swap out the engines but having the good gasser here should buy me time to find another forklift. In the meantime I gotta build me another shed to hide the Cockshutt before wife gets back on Monday,if not, well there might be a real impressive 'Farm Auction' for the late Canuck Jay ! ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 5:51pm
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Borrowing the engine out of the Cockshutt wouldn't be a heartbreaker... There was a fellow on the forum here (in Indiana?) that had a Buda 230 gasser for sale... came out of a combine I think... it should be the right one. Cockshutt/Co-op's biggest bonus- full LIVE PTO... that was their big bonus feature. An interesting company history. ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 8:36pm
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230 is too big, gotta be the 153 to fit inside the forklift. course after driving it for an hour at my farm( all one acre,1/2 cluttered with tractors....) I kinda don't want to carve up the Cockshutt which was made about 25 miles from me...sigh, must be getting old hate to destroy a neat piece of history... She's going to stay altogether for now. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 8:43pm
| Well keeping it together sounds wise to me. It just looks like it is in really good shape. Good luck working out the forklift issue. There are alot of good used forklifts on Craigslist in this area I think if you keep an eye open something will pop up. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 8:50pm
Ditto! I've never seen seen a Cockshutt in person!
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SHAMELESS wrote:Posted By: Brian-KS
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:00pm
Shamless, I think your signature was the one that saved it   . ------------- EAT BEEF! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 11:36pm
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That's way to purdy a tractor to borrow an engine from. I don' suppose an AC "B" engine would fit in there? They are plentiful and reasonable to buy or what about an IHC Cub or A engine?
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 12:03am
| whew...Brian....good...now I can sleep nights again! |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 7:53am
I might know of a 153 Diesel if you are still looking for one. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 9:41am
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Whew, that was close. Cockshutts are common in Maine. Hate to see one that nice parted out. There must be a donor tractor out there somewhere. Bob@allisdowneast ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 9:47am
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I would PARDON the Cockshutt and fix the diesel ------------- |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 1:48pm
| There were lots of 30's in the prairies, there has to be one at a wreckers. Put on a KIJIJI add, should find something. Trev. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 2:17pm
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hmm re: 'fix the diesel'.. I ain't got $5000 to fix it,can't find another good running forklift for even 3x what the Cockshutt cost me. Problem with putting another diesel in is the 'hard starting in cold weather' problem and it's the only diesel on the property. Trying to figure if I can 'bodge' a quick attach type unit onto the loader.... sigh....and it's down to freezing tonight ! Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |