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    Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 7:29pm
Haven't bought a tractor in awhile. I've always wanted a G, and I would like to garden on a little larger scale someday. I've been keeping my eye out for one, but they seem to command a pretty good price, running or not. Finally found one that needs a lot of help.
 
Drove way too far and paid way too much for it, but I am now a G owner.
 
The motor is locked up, as are the rear tires, the air cleaner tube and cup and starter are missing, other than that it is complete, and has the master lift on it.
 
 
Put it on some car dollies, pretty handy for moving it around.
 
 
The torque tube flange is broken and repaired, which I guess is common when using this tractor with a plow?  I will definitely be making a frame extension for this tractor, I don't hardly fit on it like this.
 
 
Someone must have yanked the drawbar pretty hard, to bust the block and front cover.
 
 
It also must have thrown a rod, judging by the welding on the block.
 
 
It had an add on screen on the radiator, and an aftermarket PTO, I think the consensus is it is for a Woods mower.
 
 
 
This is a new one- the flange on the manifold is busted, the carb is actually held on with wire and a hose clamp.
 
 
This is kind of a long term project (aren't they all). My plan is to pop the motor out, and take it down in the basement for something to do this winter, then bring it all together next summer. Might as well get it apart and see what we are up against.
 
Removed the tin, fuel tank, radiator, PTO, etc. Removed the engine, and the ring gear stayed in the bellhousing.
 
 
 
I'm guessing the flywheel got so corroded it rust jacked the ring gear and it snapped.
 
 
Found a crack in the lower radiator tank, hopefully it can be repaired.
 
 
Found a hole in the bottom of the fuel tank, pretty sure that one is beyond repair.
 
 
Put the motor on the engine stand for now, moved on to the stuck rear wheels. Jacked and pried and wiggled both final drives off. Removed the shoes for now, they and the drums will need replacement.
 
 
 
 
I reassembled the finals, jacked the back wheels up, and put my drill on the input shaft to power it, and ran through 5 gears, everything seems to work there.
 
Getting back to the engine, the prognosis is not good. This tractor must have sat for years or decades with no cover on the exhaust or spark plugs in it. Yikes.
 
 
Flipped it over to dump out the cylinders, and the smell that came out of it when I lifted the pan off is indescribable.
 
 
I think I was right on the throwing a rod theory, looks like someone tapped the pieces back in and welded it.
 
 
Pressure washed the block. At least the bottom cleaned up nice.
 
 
The top side is not so good.
 
 
Alright. This engine is junk. Might as well save what I can off of it though. Pulled the pulley, the front cover, the rear main carrier, and the oil pump. Unbolted the rods, and removed the crank. Set it back up and filled the cylinders with 50/50 ATF and acetone. If I can tap the pistons out the bottom, I can save the rods. They don't make this stuff anymore...
 
 
 
And as always, gotta keep the bolts organized. This project might be measured in years, rather than months.
 
 
So, lots of obstacles to overcome, but this should be a fun project.
 
Thanks for looking.


Edited by littlemarv - 20 Jun 2021 at 8:15pm
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Looks like you got a handful there . Good luck and be sure to keep us updated
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That is quite an undertaking you have there.  I am currently restoring my G.  I found a guy in MI that has a lot of these tractors he is parting out.  He is not on the internet but I can put you in touch with him - he might have a lot of parts you are looking for.  Send me a PM.
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You must be a real glutton for punishment Cry You will quickly find out that everything for a G will cost at least twice as much as things for a B Wacko  Start by pricing what new tires are going to cost you Wacko Then there are things that are just not available Angry On top of that it takes up just as much space as a B and can't do half the work a B can Thumbs Down If you get a plow for it and can't afford the front weight, just put a MIL seat up there LOL
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Marv, i was going to make a joke about that front tire... but after seeing the top of that motor, the tire dont look so bad !!  Wink
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Yeah, you have your work cut out for you, but everyone needs a project!  Looking forward to watching this one come back from the dead, I enjoy how you document the entire process.  I always learn a lot.
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Marv I wish I could help you with a gas tank for this one but I have never had a G, You take such great pictures, thanks for sharing with us !!    Mark
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Marv,
As I started to read your thread I could relate to it very well. I too bring things home that need attention, cost too much, and the wife thinks are junk! As I got farther down into your wonderful pictures and documentation, I began to see areas that looked troublesome also. Very surprised that the bottom of the engine cleaned up that well. I am glad your a good mechanic because that G is going to need one. Your just the guy for this job. You may need to buy a another tractor and use this one for parts? That's what I usually do. Always good to ride along on one of your projects!
I spent many hours on one of these cultivating cabbage about 65 years ago. I liked the G!
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I have a solution. For $2000 I can solve all those problems and bring it to your doorstep next Sunday. You will still need to repair the wiring, battery box, and provide a battery. The mystery to be solved is the changing oil pressure. No extra charge for the PTO and master tool assembly. Provide your own drip pan under the transmission. Food for thought which you are good at.
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The G uses the same transmission as the B & C.

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@littlemarv; YOWZA!! I would have to call in a holy man to get that running and working. LOL. Seriously, after enjoying (and being amazed) at your other projects, I have absolutely no doubt that next year that old girl will be field ready. I look forward to seeing your progress.  
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Dusty,  Yes the G does use the same transmission as the B-C.  There is an extension on the front where the "creeper" gear is housed.  Sometimes the shifter rod gets out of the shift pattern and needs to be coaxed back into position.
LittleMarv,  What a project.  That is one well used tractor.  I along with everyone else look forward to hearing progress reports.  Best wishes on a real project
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Took some parts to work and cleaned them up, never know when you might need 'em.
 
 
 
Looks like it threw #3 rod, and the crank was never repaired. #3 bearings were smeared and sticking out of the rod and cap. 
 
 
 
Got home, and knocked two pistons out. Came out a lot sooner than expected. The two that are near TDC are a bit more stubborn.
 
 
 


Edited by littlemarv - 21 Jun 2021 at 9:12pm
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valves could use a bit of a 'touch up'.......
yeesh , that's a HUGE friggin 'project'
I admire your ability to 'get er dun'.....

when I had my 2nd G, I did find that someone makes 'sleeves' for them. You need to machine the block though....
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Yea this is not a project for the weak of heart! On the other hand you can only make improvements. It wont get much worse! :) 
A guy on another forum had a by line that read:

"If it casts a shadow it can be restored"

He did some fantastic work bring tractors back from the edge of the scrap pit!

The other thing is that there are tractors that need this attention and some just need gas added to the tank! I also have taken on some that maybe should have been left alone. The process is good for us too!

It is for sure a project. No doubts about you getting it going. probably will need to find some good used parts. 
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I dont think i have ever seen a motor where the deck was eaten up that bad with pits and rust !  How deep into the face is the damage ?  Looks way to deep to remachine, but thats just looking at the photos.... with the hole in the block, i think its time for a doner !
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There is a hole in the block from where it threw a rod. There is pieces missing from the block and timing cover from someone ripping the drawbar off. Water got inside the cylinders and froze, pushing the cylinder wall out. She's junk. Going to get the other two connecting rods out and get the cam gear off, and the rest will be my newest door stop or jackstand. Going to keep my eyes out for a complete motor, or, I'm not against engineering a repower....
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The valves are junk, so I fired up ol' blue point and sliced the springs and valve stems, to take the pressure off the cam so I can remove it.
 
 
Got the lifters out as well. Got everything cleaned up, I'd say I got a pretty good pile of usable parts out of that hunk of junk.
 
 
Last winter I bought a pallet of Kohler Cast iron engines. Some guy down in Illinois had them and couldn't get rid of them! Around here you can't find one, and I'm always on the lookout for them, to restore  a 416 that I have, and to keep a spare on the shelf. I watched them on Marketplace for a month, and couldn't believe they didn't sell.
 
Lo and behold, my daughter had a volleyball tournament in the Quad Cities! Never going to get much closer, so, when we took off for a weekend of relaxing and volleyball, I got up at like 4AM and drove into the Land of Lincoln and came back to the hotel with 7 engines. The old minivan was squattin pretty good with all four of us, all our stuff, and the iron in there.
 
Sold several, kept two 16 horse for me, and have one 14 horse left over.
 
Then this idea leapt into mind.
 
 
 
I have found complete engines, they are out there. But the cost is prohibitively expensive right now. This repower looks doable, and, I can do it without modifying the tractor, so it can always be returned to original in the future.
 
This bears some thought.
 
 
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I think you found your answer to the engine problem!  Not the first time this has been done and you could have it running this summer.  More power too!
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you should lookup the RPMs  both engines like to run at... I'm thinking you may need to run a couple pulleys to match the RPM/torque 'curves' ?
I know with #2 G, I was really tempted to 'marry'  an 'offshore'  10HP diesel to it. The 'numbers' looked pretty good on paper, then ,sigh sold #2 G......
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Wow!  That's some commitment just to get it torn down that far after what you found.  That thing definitely never met an oxygen molecule it didn't slow dance with.  I like the idea of making it functional instead of factory.  If you can re-motor it, make it move and churn some dirt, it will have already be given much more care than otherwise continuing to rust away in a field somewhere.  Good luck!
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Here's what I dreamed up last winter. Just an idea.
Most everything is off-the-shelf except adapter plate, engine mount and drive shaft.
An after thought was to use a mower spindle as a flange mount bearing instead of the 6205 bearing.
Also, instead of an engine gear reduction, use a belt drive counter shaft for RPM reduction. Could also use counter shaft drive to incorporate a " HI-LO" range.

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