Best "Economy" Tractor 80-120 Hp
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Topic: Best "Economy" Tractor 80-120 Hp
Posted By: morton(pa)
Subject: Best "Economy" Tractor 80-120 Hp
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 1:02pm
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I'm doing this project for a college business class and I'm adding up some fixed and variable costs for something. I've been surfing the net for the past few hours looking at prices of equipment, mostly on tractorhouse and local dealerships. I have a question though. Based on your thoughts, since many of you have been around these things more then I have when it comes to maintance, retail price, etc. what is the most economical, Allis or Non-Allis, 80-120 HP tractor out there? JD 4020? International 10 series? Allis 190XT etc.? Take things like known maintance issues, user-friendlyness (less time spent paying hired hand to learn how to operate tractor), retail price, etc. into account please. The project revolves around the most economical solution. That said, although a certain tractor may have a low retail value, that may be offset by a known problem down the road and the high cost to fix it. So what are your opinions on the best economical 80-120 HP tractor out there with that said? I know everyone will have their opinion, and each ones will be different, but lets hear them. I'm open to anything and everything.
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 2:05pm
| Ford 8000-8600-8700 |
Posted By: Mark G.
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 2:18pm
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Ford tractors from the 8000 to 8700 models where considered by alot of people to be the best tractor in their time or size class. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 2:46pm
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There was a lengthy thread on the 4020 last week. There were many made and many still in use. And they sell used for what they cost new in 1964 to 1972. The later ones sell perhaps a bit higher. They are not the most fuel efficient, the gas versions are close to the poorest at contemporary fuel efficiency. Last time I was shopping there was one AC in that power range for each 40 4020 to select from. With many parts still factory stock as well as aftermarket, they will be serviceable for a long time to come. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Russ SCPA
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 5:58pm
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Morton, there is not a simple pleasant answer to your question, my answer to you is what kind of initial investment do you wish to make to begin with? Seriously a new unit under a lease arrangement for 4000 hours is going to be the least cost to operate. On the older stuff 1066 IH's have a good solid reputation, but they are rated at 125 and that was just a nice place to start, most were probably closer to 150. 766's were "big fort their size" and the durability shows it, given my personal experiences an Allis Chalmers 7020, could well be on the "best" list. |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 7:20pm
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Ford 7610 with 8x2 crash box and no cab. Butt simple and probably one of the most reliable tractors out there. Can be turned up to 100+hp easily and be perfectly fine. A 7710 is nice as well (flat deck version of the 7610), but are a little harder to work on because of the flat deck (I can split a 7610 in less than half a day by myself and put it back together in about the same). And the turbo 268 is not too hard on fuel either. Hurst ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 7:32pm
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Case 9-1030 series, 970-1070 series. I have a 1070 with loader and it sips fuel under light loads, but will burn with the rest under load. It was rated 108 hp from factory. Effective horsepower is somewhat more vs other brands, like green/yellow wheels! ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: countryguy828
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 9:11pm
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They Massey 1085-85 horse tractor never ceases to amaze me in fuel economy and power.
Dave
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 9:42pm
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Allis 6080, 190xt, 200, 7000. All misers on fuel and hardly anything else came close for that era, reasonable to purchase and have good reliability. The torque rise on these engines is also superb. You'll have a tough time finding a green, red, or blue tractor or any tractor that will match the torque rise of the turboed 200cid or turboed 301cid of that timeframe. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Ben (MI)
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 6:29am
| I have had two AC 7000 tractors, both of which gave me outstanding service for the very low initial investment as compared to a similar era Deere. I had minimal repairs in each and as has been mentioned above the fuel economy is very good. Simple to operate and maintain-very good all around 100 HP tractors. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 8:52am
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We had a new 1974 8600 Ford, the factory cab was awful any aftermarket cab would have been better. It had a bad imitation of John Deeres 4020 shift. From the time it was new it would get out of alingement and you would have to use a big screwdriver to pop it back in. If you put it in park on a slight incline it would get stuck in park. We had a shifter pawl break while it was under warranty had to split the tractor for a $5 part but no cost to us. The tractor never had any other issues and it was economical. We used the tractor till around 1990. I considered 9700 and TW series Fords but lack of a local dealer (our's had closed) was one reason we stuck with AC over another Ford, the other is lack of resale value. The main reason I kept the 8600 so long is it wasn't worth trading off. I have a 1984 8050 power shift and a 1985 8070 power shift both are FWA. The 8050 is an improvement in about every way imaginable ower a 7060. I have yet to have any issue with it but the engine was o/h when I bought it. I've only owned the 8070 one season. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 9:10am
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I always thought the AMBAC injector pump in the 8000 series was not as good as the Roosa Master in the earlier 7000 series. Wonder if many change them over to Roosa or Bosh inline? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 9:33am
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old deutz as far as fuel is concerned, those air cooled babys sip fuel ------------- i like old tractors of all colors |
Posted By: michaelwis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 9:37am
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My choice would be a 6080 .. misers on fuel .. ------------- WD WD45 DIESEL D 14 D-15 SERIES 2 190XT TERRA TIGER ac allcrop 60 GLEANER F 6060 7040.and attachments for all Proud to be an active farmer |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 10:12am
| How long a service life are you expecting? If only for a few years, the up front price is important. How many acres do you expect to use it for? In the case of many acres per year, operating expenses are important. I don't think ease of operation is all that important, financially, as long as you will the the only driver. If you plan on putting hired help in that tractor seat, it becomes more important. Tell use exactly what you want to use the tractor for and we will give you more of our biased opinions. |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 10:43am
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I would say a 6080 is one of the most economical in this range. Definitely a fuel sipper and they hold their value pretty well. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 10:45am
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[QUOTE=Lonn]I always thought the AMBAC injector pump in the 8000 series was not as good as the Roosa Master in the earlier 7000 series. Wonder if many change them over to Roosa or Bosh inline? I have heard the same things from people that own 7000 and 8000 series tractors. Most claim that they seem "soggy" and not as snappy as a Roosa Master Pump. ------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: craigreavley
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 11:17am
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We just bought a 95 hp IH 966 diesel. I dont know how economical, but it has to be better than all the gas tractors we have been farming with. 40 years old, but still cheap horsepower compared to the prices of newer tractors
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Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 6:51pm
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That's a nice looking IH. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: kffischer
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 10:59pm
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should price hiring the jobs done for comparison's sake: you could have half the tractor and 10% of the equipment and still get the work done. The cost would be the deciding factor. karl f
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 12:16am
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Dave in IL I don't know how you can call the Ford shifter a copy of the 4020 shifter. The Ford is easy and straight forward to understand, the JD is exactly the opposite. Our 8000 has never had a problem of getting stuck in park or needing "adjustment" to get the shifter back in line. |