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Topic: My Old beater Ford SD
Posted By: DMiller
Subject: My Old beater Ford SD
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 10:06am
Have initiated the attack on the big iron pile.  Rusting away bed is ready to come off, fuel filler, tail lights and previously loosed floor bolts is all attaching today.

Made a list of Immediate to buy components, Engine, Drive Train, Braking and Body work will come to around $7,000, Paint will be FAR less than the Big Wagon where estimate is around $1000, will invest in a Fresh roll of MIG Wire for panels installs.

As get all this complete will be installing a SRW Flatbed, already started a Purple Wave bid process on a Local City take off, will also need considerable reman so bid LOW.  Can buy a New one, are under $3500 at another local shop at Swiss MO if previous fails, just have to add what I see as necessities on that as can.

Short list is Bed disposal, cab removal, clean and repaint frame.  Next up with cab off, Turbocharger replacement kit and Valve cover harness with Glow plugs change, final brake tube behind fuel tank replace, all P/S hoses swap, AC hoses, condenser, compressor and clutch replace, P/S Pump and Fluid change.  Air Intake boots replace, with as can inspect found as failed repairs.  New Shocks, replace ALL Wheels as are corrupted and seeping thru aluminum, spare rotted under truck and still has OEM 1999 Firestone on it.  E Brake cables and any other repairs there.  New body cushions, a replacement St Column Rag Joint. Full inner rocker panels with outers, cab rear corners, all Four Doors and both front fenders, rear door latch mechanisms, headlamp housings, rear third brake lamp replace, rear glass replace slider with solid.  Some Body Work beyond above, replace floor carpet with rubber, DEEP Clean Interior, headliner reline and console recover(Local does this), repaint cab and all hardware all one color.

Have to laugh, Nephew that was just a BOY when bought this wants it as I get done in use of it after the reman.  Was first truck he was allowed to drive on his Dad's place we initially bought my 180 for.  He is 38 this year.

Have to add, resealed front axle this last year, one has returned to leaking so back into that.  Has New ball joints, 90% all disc brakes, all remaining brake tubes are changed and new flex hoses frame to axles two years ago.  New tires two years ago.  Really wanted a NEWER truck, but for $10gr can I really afford to go buy a different project at $35-40gr?



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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 10:16am
My ol Beater

ALL four doors are rotted from Inside, Bed to Frame supports are nearly completely rusted away, frame so far is showing solid.  R F Fender has a Tree Gnarl at front and both rusted at cab lower corner, rockers are SAD.  Upper Rear Door latches gave up last year., tail gate fell away from rust last year, was hanging on cables when caught it.

Been as good a machine as could have asked for.  7.3 is a boat anchor, is a hog in soft ground as front buries rapidly, but is worth the trouble.


Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 2:05pm
Looks a deceeiving, LMC truck is where I got my body parts from when I redone my 1975


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 3:46pm


Closest around here is Mill Supply. Relative same pricing and delivers to local body shops, NO Frt Charges!!


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2023 at 4:32pm
Son just finished overhaul of is 2010 CrewCab F250 a couple months back.. I know he had the same problem with cross ribs rotting out under the bed.. He bought a "rust free bed" somewhere in Missouri that imports them from the SOUTH where there is no salt......... seems like it was in the $3000. range.

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2023 at 9:31am
Have given up on a Pickup bed for now, as was explained by Body shop, not even the SW US truck beds are "Rust Free" just cannot see it as is Inside those tin shells the bed supports from.  NO paint or Primer in those regardless what is shown as to Dipping on Advertisements.  Avg life expectancy 5-7 years from date of Mfr.   This one is old enough a Flat bed will do just fine, also adds rear ballast it needed since day one.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 6:39pm
flatbed...........

https://quincy.craigslist.org/grd/d/birmingham-steel-flat-bed/7698612515.html" rel="nofollow - https://quincy.craigslist.org/grd/d/birmingham-steel-flat-bed/7698612515.html



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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 7:51pm
I put a flatdeck on my F100..30 ? years ago, bought a Lincoln AC-225-S welder some 7018AC rods ,it actually worked out very well.
Now IF I'd KNOWN I'd still have my current '97 F150, I'd have oiled the snot out of it EVERY year since '99 when I bought it. Sigh..... NOTHING left of the front bed rails, rad support is 'MIA',left rocker 'MIA', drivers door  lower 'sill', hmmm...'MIA'.dang SALT....woulda,shoulda,coulda, sigh.....
Truck only has 88,000 miles on it ,starts ,runs, stops and I spent 10 hours replacing the plastic sugar cube that makes PRNDL show what gear the tranny is in WORK again....


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:37am
Thanks steve, will look into that one along with a few others looked at if miss the one here in town. It is just at $700 currently on my last bid.


Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 7:01am
While you have the cab off, save your self trouble and replace the factory up pipes (manifold to turbo) with a bellowed set. The originals are solid and do not expand and contract properly causing leaks. They are a BEAR to change with the cab on. So it makes sense to do them with it off. Another thing to do at this point is HPOP lines and o rings.

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Posted By: sho-man1
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 7:37am
Second that mention of replacing the up pipes with bellowed ones while the cab is off.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 7:43am
You are money ahead to change those pipes with the cab removed if planning to keep the truck. HiPop definitely service while the cab is off will save you grief.

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 8:11am
Turbocharger replacement 'Kit' is priced with all that Included.  Up Pipes(Also Up Sized), air discharge boots for Air Charge Cooler piping etc.  Will also receive Valve Cover gasket/harness assemblies with replacement Glow Plugs.

Currents:




Spare was SO degraded was making hands Black as touched it, is Dismounted where wheel is also scrap, sidewalls were splitting as dismounted!  Was from first set of Replacement Tires I put on the truck, as came with Street Treads on it new.  Date Code from 2000 as installed 2001.



Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 8:18am
Basic Steel Wheels are on the way along with a Matching Herc Tire to what is on the ground, Bumper at rear is already Off.

Under the Bed




Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 8:27am
What aggravated me most as got this far was seeing back of cab and front of bed little to no paint,  Were painted together as well the underside of Hood was Painted just base Red not the metallic as was bought.  Had always wondered why so, just lack of concern by Ford as No Care on Quality is Job One no longer exists.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 8:38am
Dave... the COULD have done a better job... But you got to remember that its 25 years old !!  Has served you well for that time..

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 9:16am
Yes it Has!!  other than Rust Rot been great.

Now to get another 3-5 years.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 10:42am
That was a very common practice. Less color and I've seen a tinted undercoat to lessen the needs of a thicker topcoat many times. Red tint under burgundy is very common. Underside of the bed is not painted for the same reason. Underside of the hood panel and radiator support etc. are a dull red color; not topcoat color. All to save money on the production line. 

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 6:39am
Used bed in town is now closing in on my max bid. Knowing steel is high will not bid more if it crosses that mark.

Will find what need to go on it and make mods to make it work for my purposes.
Spoke with the HVAC owner as he made the svc call, he just bought a replacement Ton crew SRW, discounted to $76k as was a Least desirable on dealer lot, more commercial grade. His son bought a four year old Ton crew shortbed SRW, gas engine Ford, paid $49,500 with 67,000 miles. I feel better of this project now.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2024 at 10:11am
Current state, down to a few items to disconnect then go to cab mount bolts.





Will be dropping tank today or tomorrow to replace brake tubing behind it and to ready that section of frame for rust encapsulation paint.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2024 at 10:55am
Snap any torx bits removing the bed bolts? 

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2024 at 12:46pm
I have tried to wire brush / clean and repaint the frame of a truck a few times.. Paint always started to rust thru in a couple years ... Several years ago i read an article about a DESALT process... They said it dont matter how many times you WASH the bottom of your truck with pressure washer and soap, there is ALWAYS a salt film left over imbedded into the steel frame. That starts the process of rusting again...... DOT in Wisc ( i think) was experimenting with a process to NEUTRALIZE the salt, after washing the frame with pressure washer... Conclusion was that if you do this, the PAINT will stick much better and LONG TERM the frame will hold up better... I have been using this for about 10 years when i do  touchup / paint repairs on the frames... ANYTHING that travels on the highway, has salt IMBEDDED into the steel  that needs cleaned prior to paint............. just a suggestion..

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 4:24am
The product I have received is a Encapsulator body men use. Has a rust converter in the base that shuts down the process. Has to be oversprayed with a paint product but is noted to neutralize the process of corrosion. Just have to have the large chunky stuff off the surface.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 6:58am
I have used both Eastwood and POR-15 Rust Encapsulator with good results. I also like Rustoleum's Rust Converter in aerosol cans.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 8:21am
I used "Chassis Saver" products a lot of years in the shops and it works well but has a very limited shelf life once opened, and must be painted over. Phosphoric acid based product yielding good coverage per gallon sprayed easily with conventional hand spray guns.

Abrasive media blasting is always best as a clean substrate is beneficial to start with and will reveal weak spots commonly overlooked.


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 1:07pm
Thanks all, sticking to scrape, brush and blow away then to paint once eastwood material gets here. Truck is soon to be 25, know is on borrowed days where only needs to get another three to five and I will start backing down on activities.


Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 6:27pm
A needle scaler does a good prep job.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 7:00pm
Dave... i use the RUST CONVERTER also.... AFTER i needle gun the frame, then pressure wash, then DESALT wash, then rinse.... then CONVERTER.... Let dry and then paint.. I normally just  use a Brush Rustoleum and i am doing touchup, no bed/ tank / power train removal.

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 3:53pm
Spoke to a Eastwood rep this afternoon.  He noted I picked the better choice for where I am going.  Remove any and all loose scale, wash down with a oil/grease remover then paint as can.  Base Product, not the Plus or Platinum is the best choice here for working a Moving Target.  Has a Neutralizer in the Base, for Salts or Chemical agent corrosive, is also UV Resistant the other two do not even as a bigger premium price.  Does NOT require a Top Coat of anything else and should last the remaining life of the machine.  Can be used as a Prep Primer or a Final Cover so works well for me.  Loose scale is already gone at rear, any residual brake fluid or diff oil has been removed.  Will go back over the entire chassis once cab goes up and finish out on forward rails.  Product can be Brush, Roller or Spray applied, got a full gallon.

After got up this morning hauled the tires to the tire shop for rim swaps, have the spare to balance and the OLD spare Tire to discard.  Went by Sale Yard for the truck bed, install requires Four Points of mounting for the Goose Ball to qualify.  Will be reusing the Reese Hitch angle irons to frame, with Angle Irons bolted to them to weld on the new bed.  Fore and Aft hangers are strictly for bed stability and will be as rep stated reasonable but minimal.  Weld to New Bed rails, Bolt with at least a 1/2" Gr 8 Fastener to Frame is all that is called for at those two points.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 9:11am
Deeper inspections costing me more, think gonna have to work on this with Eyes Closed.

Started removing rear brakes and hubs for P-Brake repairs, pads went to self destruct mode, rotors appear shot, pistons froze SOLID in calipers and as expected Hub Seals leaking.  TOUCHED Dust Shield, collapsed into piles of rust dust.  OH ME OH MY!!  $$$$ Keep Flashing!!




Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 9:12am
So MORE Bushel Baskets of parts!!  and have loaded backing plates coming.




Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2024 at 9:20am
All but one PS Hose is here, PS Pump replacement is on and all but gear is drained of old PS Fluid.  New Tensioner pulleys on, and all cab mount bolts out clean.  Received the Taiwan made replacement Head and front TS Lamps, appear constructed as a Direct OE replacement.
Soon as rear brakes are complete down to Bleeding and tires BACK ON, will set up to lift the cab for Turbo remove..

SO Glad kept my OLD automotive tools.






Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2024 at 2:26pm
Rear brake assemblies and hubs back together, Brakes still dry and will be that way until cab is set back down.  Turbo is here but remaining pieces for that may be into Monday next week to arrive.





Will bag the two rear brake/hub assemblies, then ready to paint rear frame section tomorrow. After paint dries, will set next body mounting brackets and reset fuel tank, possibly install rear shocks and rear wheel park brake cables.


Posted By: fjdrill
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2024 at 3:19pm
Are you Shure Brake calipers go on front of axle driver side? All 4 SDs of mine are on the back.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2024 at 5:03pm
99 and 2000 SD Fords only ones to do this. Same calper both sides, brake lines significant difference on both, is a heavy shield goes around the Left one. A True oddity to this model and year.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 7:22am
So Far So Good.









Front Brake hoses on, tubing Connected, old Core Support Mounts cut away removed and frame cleared of loose rust.  Rear Frame was painted with tank rehung, PBrake parts installed and rear axle/brake repairs done down to bleeding, Cab is Up, turbo swapped and awaiting other engine parts to ready to reset the cab.  Have the new mounts ready for that point.   Likely to paint front frame Today.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 7:26am
Nastiness ALSO contended with.  Found the source of harness chew ons, cleaned next out of engine valley, where around same amount was sucked up with a Shop Vac.  The Dead Varmint was darn near to mummified as been dead so long.  Materials were chewed away engine compartment insulation.




Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 7:33am
Quite a project. I'm enjoying this thread.

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 8:54am
lookin good Dave.... BOY, that motor sure is CLEAN for its age !

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Posted By: NEVER green
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 9:55am
   Keeping track of your time??


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 1:26pm
Thanks all.  And yes NG I am tracking the hours so far.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 3:01pm
For NG, up to date at $4900+/- a little, and at around 46 hours.  Body work will be brutal on hours.  Extras so far: Complete Rear Brakes with backing plates/splash shields/rotors/calipers and hubs resealed, New style Silicone Cab mounts,  Front Sway Bar to frame links, ALL Park Brake cables into cab, Front Brake hoses to Calipers, Ford OEM Vacuum Lines loom for engine compartment close to $1800 above plans.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 4:46pm
The truck as currently sits, too cold to spray so masked up what want paint off of and cleaned up around it.  Did Change out the ratchet straps to light Comalong winches.



Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 9:01am
I may have missed it somewhere, but depending on how many miles you have on the truck, Id look into refreshing the injectors/hpo system while its easy to get to.

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 2:22pm
340k on the truck, not going that deep for a now 5000mile a year truck.  Turbo was leaking, brakes needed work, rust needed updating where the old machine is going to be relegated to Farm Chores here out.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 5:36am
Latest and Greatest news USPS distribution center in Nashville TN got weather snarled. My Priority Mail parts shipment is languishing in some bin there and been in that bin since Jan 27. Shipment number updates stopped J28 and absolutely nothing as to support on finding or moving my parcels. Cab hangs as parts go on engine. No idea WHEN or even IF will receive. Have to wait at least a week to have supplier send out a second shipment where they noted Nashville is really bad for this, any excuse to ignore mail.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 6:41am

 Looking GOOD there, Dave,,definately a labor of love but will be like or even better than new when you finish up,,,Clap
 I can relate to your frustration with USPS I have recently had to go thru several OH, OH's with USPS and the resident Post Master does not seem to be very interested in anyone's issues,,,!!  I had ordered an item that originated somewhere "Over Yonder" and after getting a ride to see the whole world (two weeks) it finally made it to Austin, Tx and then languished there for 32 days before some "observant" postal employee noticed the package in that cubby hole, pulled it out and sent it on it's way,,,,!!  SHEEEESH,,!! Since then,,,I've had my RFID wallet magically get removed from it's plastic shipping bag and bag taped up by USPS with a tag "DELIVERED IN DAMAGED CONDITION",,,,Then,,just yesterday received a box with a "hand sized hole" in the side of box with several loose items rolling around inside. I'm going to take both examples to the Post Master to get his comments and file a claim.  Double SHEEESH,,!!


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 4:19pm
Spoke with local postmaster as he is handling my side of the issue where the Cottontown OP is handling the shipper's side, Nothing yet, HOWEVER he noted the dates were as that nasty Ice Storm hit that region after us, he then noted the Truck or Tractor Trailer carrying said parcel likely was wrecked, could possibly have spilled ALL the mail to the ground where TN Highway's Department is often rash in loading ALL the "Trash" from a crash in Dump trucks and hauling to the dump regardless What was spilled.

That stated, have to await 15 WORKING Days, from time of Reports, in our case could be Either as the Accident occurred or when I voiced concerns, either way will be just at TWO MORE Weeks prior to accepting the Priority Mail is permanently lost where either shipper or recipient can apply for the $100 insurance on that $300 worth of engine parts.  Will be in touch with Swag Performance that day of end of two weeks, as they will need to contact PO and send me another ALREADY PAID FOR Shipment I never received.

So today I lowered the cab back to the frame where it can sit unattended for next two weeks.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 5:57pm
I may be going through much the same here Dave, making valiant attempt to purchase a 2010 F-350 with a blown turbocharger so the cab needs lifted. 6.4ltr engine and full four door cab. Can't justify the cost of relatively new and I can repair this one.

Gets so damned annoying dealing with the shipping morons any longer. Lost two jobs as wasn't able to get to them before the parties bugged out before the severe weather hit. One job got parts for and now need to send them back as task performed in AZ, the other still haven't received anything in the order and it's been canceled.


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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2024 at 6:11pm
Postal Service is no help, boxes received of FEDEX and UPS have been looking as run over instead of hauled, just Mauled, USPS is no better.  Local Carquest owner and I spoke on this, he Just Received parts ordered Dec 23, were off in never never land and client bought elsewhere so he is now stuck with odd parts for a ancient Subaru no one around here owns.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2024 at 12:21pm
Received my USPS notice Package is SUPPOSED to arrive Tomorrow.  Will see, likely Saturday.  Has been Floating in USPS Black Hole since 01/24/24.  Wondering if ANY of the order will have survived.

So Completed the Frame Paint, even sprayed rear hitch and reinstalled.    Had sat cab back down but raised back up today.  Had PLENTY of time so cleaned up floor around truck.
Ordered .023 wire for the Millermatic 210, already have wire rolls and tips, bought a Liner for the lighter wire but been told can get away with heavier liner if not using full time.





Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2024 at 12:24pm
Always a good idea to tidy up while waiting for parts. Looking good so far


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2024 at 12:30pm
Under VC parts and Intake Boots is what is supposed to arrive.  Covers are still on but bolts already loose, Silicone Boots were leaking on X Piping.  That is Clean and ready to reinstall.




Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2024 at 2:31pm
Almost TOO amazed.  Mail cam parts order in it.  Not ONE Scratch, Dent, or piece of damaged sealing tape, Label as crisp and clear as day was sent.  NO REASON was Not shipped.


All pieces in pristine condition




Guess means Back To Work!!


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2024 at 2:42pm
Above under covers parts fully installed, Cab is sitting on new mounts but had to stop and take care of Sick Wife.  

Seems she had a BAD Week of Training, went to a Local Liquor Slushie Shop, got a tad inebriated and had me come get her.  Three puke stops five miles, had to carwash car today and lysol wipe the inside of passenger door, ICKY.  She is suffering, quietly on the couch currently.Ouch


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2024 at 12:59pm
Boots were a No Go item, too stiff, too thick and too sticky to slip onto the hard housing connections.  Reinstalled OEM for now until figure those out.  

That said got brake leaks where were occurring sealed up(MANY), managed to get all the base engine compartment materials set and had engine running today, no leaks to note and turbo spooled into service just fine.  As to the Brake leaks, the New SS Tubing requires a LOT of Brute Crush to get the Double Flares to seat out, got that from my brothers who have also used them.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2024 at 5:06pm
Into Body stuff now.  Tins arrived





Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2024 at 9:27am
Did a bit of math on So Far and what is to come, should be just under $12,000 in repairs on the beast including the SRW Flatbed and tool box gonna put on that.   Current expenses at under $5000.


Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2024 at 9:37am
I just replace everything on my 2000 F 350 done all 3 rear brake hose's ,axle seals  ,complete brakes and e brake cables .

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2024 at 6:24pm
Have gotten all the rusty panels off the Left side now. Photos I have on the phone just not downloaded yet.

Some dressing work on previous spot welds, and must have been 200 of them on Left side, then predrill new Inner Rocker for MIG welding in place, Weld Thru Primer on as much as can cover then weld it up.  First back on will be fit up and install Corner, then Rear Door threshold, then the Forward Door threshold.  Then move to Right Side repeat.

Guy from Minneapolis deals with Roll Offs and End Dumps called on the KW, gonna come look Monday or Tuesday with his Wife, SHE saw it on Truck Paper. I have No real hopes of a sale, but he is driving 8 hours to come see.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2024 at 6:20pm
Photos



Having to allow the Slicin and Dicin to heal awhile before slip the arms back in the razor blade barrel.

BOTH arms look as that, snag heaven anywhere near edges.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2024 at 5:04pm
Latest and greatest news is the inner rockers are clamped in place, weld thru primer on them. Getting used to the fast melt of .023 wire is tough but should be welding some time tomorrow

A other note, doors, went to site to order the four doors, got “Out of Stock For Foreseeable Future” on ALL. Had local body shop try Ford, no good on rears and front shells 6 weeks out are $1300 each.

Back to pc search found Decent doors thru a scrapper. All clean and no external rust or pop bubbles, off 2012 or newer but are same shells. Got all four for $2200 plus freight.

Are complete with all inner Panels and
Switches.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2024 at 5:51pm
What weld through primer did you use?

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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2024 at 7:58am
Seymour, was recommended by local body man.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2024 at 12:46pm
Spoke to a Body Repair Parts rep today, found the reason NO MORE 1999-2016 SD Sheet Metal.  FORD Wants it GONE.  Simple as it gets, they control the aftermarket manufacturers overseas, provide the designs and some tooling they quit using not want it ALL destroyed, eliminated.

2017 and up to 2021 are same line that will remain in production, the company reps noted the Company feels the Longevity of the 99-16 line got out of control and they need to see NEW Truck Sales.  IH is reported to be shutting down Anything related to the 7.3 next.

The supply rep note GM is going to screen down supplies for the Square Bodies and the early New Cab style of the 90s, they want Those GONE as well.

The Current BO status been found of suppliers for New Door shells is not going to correct.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 8:47am
Both New panels fitted up, and did some experimenting with the .023 wire.  My Miller 210 does NOT like it but is welding, have the Left panel sewn in, just have to do some dress down and reprime.  Get the Right one attached and will start hacking up New Corners to fit up.  Still going to fight with the .023 for now, be the LAST time I use in this welding machine.
Yesterday the local shop does Upholstery work got my Headliner and Console compartment cover done, they are back home for $360.








Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 9:16am
Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Seymour, was recommended by local body man.

Not a bad product. Try U-Pol in copper based spray can. I purchased by the case it was so favored. 


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A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now.


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 9:23am
I have a Lincoln Sp-125 Plus used only for sheet metal and auto body repair. Larger welders don't have the stability the lower capacity welders have down low. I use Lincoln L-56 wire in .025 purchased in 11# spools and the machine has infinite adjustment in both voltage, and wire speed.

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A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now.


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 9:47am
I have a Lincoln 125v also.. Run any brand of .023 solid wire with CO2 gas purge. Works great for the past 25 years .......... Son has a larger Miller 230v 180a ... runs the .030 in it.

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 10:59am
The Miller 210 is working with this, So Far!!  Do not see a need to buy into a New welder for the One Time shot on this machine.  I seriously doubt will do this ever again.


Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Spoke to a Body Repair Parts rep today, found the reason NO MORE 1999-2016 SD Sheet Metal.  FORD Wants it GONE.  Simple as it gets, they control the aftermarket manufacturers overseas, provide the designs and some tooling they quit using not want it ALL destroyed, eliminated.

2017 and up to 2021 are same line that will remain in production, the company reps noted the Company feels the Longevity of the 99-16 line got out of control and they need to see NEW Truck Sales.  IH is reported to be shutting down Anything related to the 7.3 next.

The supply rep note GM is going to screen down supplies for the Square Bodies and the early New Cab style of the 90s, they want Those GONE as well.

The Current BO status been found of suppliers for New Door shells is not going to correct.


yea,, this way ya can't fix up your older pre-emission stuff, force ya to 'update',, or find used parts that may not be any better than you already have,, 
oh yea,, prolly can thank the EPA,, I'm sure they had some part in doing this.... 


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 1:06pm
Heavy Diesel Manufacturers are doing their part.  Two Stroke DD parts Next to Unobtanium and No just buying a Sleeve and slapping it in a block is not how those work.

The earlier DDEC Detroit Engines are impossible to get internals for these days unless a Builder has them stockpiled, Detroit is Owned by Daimler Benz.  Cummins announced last Year, the N14, is now Obsolete for Factory Parts, the NH and NT series has been that way for close to ten years now.  try getting a Cummins shop to rebuild a PT Pump, will refer a Independent as they eliminated the tests stands and equipment to build those.  Cat is still making parts and servicing C series Engines, C12,15,18, are still popular in Heavy Equipment but new engines are in the works to obsolete these.

MACK is now Wholly owned by VOLVO, the changeover to a Volvo Line is eventual and a discontinuance to the base Design Thermodyne series engines and the forever lived top loader rear ends is already underway.  IHC is Wholly owned by Volkswagon, Freightliner trucks Companies is Wholly owned by Daimler/Benz.  PACCAR is the Last Remaining US OWNED and BUILT Heavy truck Line.  PACCAR Engines are made under contract by Cummins, HOWEVER, ALL Warranty is dealt with IN HOUSE with PACCAR, Cummins will not even entertain working in their shops.

ALL current Build Tier 4 engines are a Trash as Dies design, Expense to Overhaul a X Series Cummins is in Excess of $25,000 in Parts alone.  Rods, Heads, all Disposable and NOT recoverable to a Reman Engine, Blocks have One Shot at a deck true then are at Min Spec to build ever again.  Cats were of this intent but the High nickel Blocks proved manageable for two to three machining and are thicker Head Spacers and Gaskets for that spacer still in production.  IHC is being slowly removed from ANY engines production, the DT based electronic engines and the latest/greatest MAXXFORCE engines are being removed from construct lines by VW for existing Daimler or Cummins power.  Volvo trucks have the LEAST longevity on US Roads, 7 years parts begin to Obsolesce, at Nine years a Model type change eliminates all but outsourced Used parts especially electronics control equipment.  Those in the RV Game that bought them are now dealing with Unavailability up to NON Rebuildable parts as are Volvo Specific for repair parts.

AG equipment is following similar lines.


Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2024 at 4:01pm
Yea....really becoming a 'throw-away' society...
Yea,, I'm not looking forward rebuilding my B cat,, hope it goes a couple more years,, by then, it may be more cost effective to update to E model,, as long as I can stay pre-99 year ecm....or,,, jus might park it,, an if there's any rockin chair money left,, jus go with that and some light side work....


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2024 at 7:13am
B, e and Cseries later engines all based of same initial casting. Best bet is to step out of the B and update as far forward as can.

MSX was last series for non emission where also has the larger rod journal crankshaft.

Cat tech here said as soon as the company releases the new engine line the NOS parts for all these previous versions will be all that is left unless the Chinese continue the aftermarket supplies.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2024 at 7:44am
Got after the Inner Rockers, getting better on the ,023 wire in my machine, is a adjustment to use.

Inners are Both sewn on, will need to dress out some then prime over before move to cab corner caps then the outer rockers.



Welds looked FAR better when moved to wearing Cheaters under Hood.



Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2024 at 7:50am
Did accomplish some further as hauled my load of Scraps off this project to Scrapyard, needed my trailer freed up in case have to pickup my pallets of doors.

Scrap is down to $150/t steel and $.90lb for such as Clean Aluminum Wheels, sheet aluminum was only $.35/lb.  And Copper 70%(Still sheathed or Burned away) only $1.00/lb.  Cannot imagine the Gawking Looks I received dragging the 16footer behind Big Blue??



Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2024 at 9:54am
Well, you're the opposite of what I see here all the time.  A trailer big enough to hook to "old blue"  being pulled with a one ton dually!!


Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2024 at 12:14pm
Overkill? Sure, but I like it


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2024 at 1:30pm
Had 1900lbs of scraps on it and four buckets of that all small pieces. Never dumped a bucket, all rode fine the 28 miles, under Four straps. Had to keep glancing to mirrors as could NOT feel the trailer, as to backing where needed to place, with hitch right at rear axle easier to negotiate direction and speed of turns.
My 16’ is a Trailerman really heavy C channel frame car hauler, weighs close to two ton by itself. Goose would have been easier but set this up for this too.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2024 at 7:40am
Email last night from a Part Supplier, a FORD Dealer supplier that had ordered the Rear Upper can corner fillers from.  When unboxed them last week the were defined WRONG, Left one was a MAY BE close the Right a defined was NOT going to fit.  Right replacement TOO physically Wide, bolting Too Narrow(3.25" vs the 4.625 on the truck perforations), overall Too Short physically and reminded me of a F150 not a SD 250 or heavier.  Sent them back and they received, stated had TOO Long, P/Ns showed Accurate, Pieces inside were correct to boxes so I re-explained to the counter rep as to Dimensions.  Stated "DID Not See the Discrepancy", typical NJ response for IDNGAF and Did NOT really Look at them and replied was sending them back to me.

So, sat comfortably explained by Email, was The LAST TIME EVER I would deal with their BS service, even Screen printed the NEGATIVE value for their services and parts supplied, would NOT recommend ANYONE ever buy thru their Bait and Switch sales game.

Apologies came yet informed parts were mailed, explained again, IDNGAF, are trash, will be trashed as arrive, and the review will stand.  

Was fordpartsconnect  Keyport NJ


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2024 at 10:12am
Door shipment to arrive today, Freight Company driver to call when around a Hour Out so have staged for that to pickup on a Asphalt or Gravel lot rather than the Mush that is here.




Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2024 at 6:30pm
Made a Solid covering of the to be Covered face on the Inner Rockers, left the Weld thru Primer exposed and had masked that off prior to paint.  Have fitted the Left Corner well enough to initiate Weld, so went to the right side, still stretching out the outside rear corner some so do not have to fight in to align.  Once Both are fit up as best I can tolerate will set the first arc, is that no going back moment I dread Most.

That troublesome Ford Dealer parts department, well I got Mad, hand wrote a letter to the Dealer Manager, records numbers, dates, spoke to names and end result, received a Email the Refund was on my CC, were disciplinary actions in process, wished me a good day and was done.

Soon as the welding phase is done will be back to cab roof body work and readying for epoxy priming all the new parts and body work.  Then have to wait on paint for finances to catch up.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2024 at 2:25pm
BIG Day today. worked up the courage to set the corners, been fussin and floggin on them for three days getting them to fit the way I see needs to.  So today anchored by All manner Clamping Grips, set the two.







Need to dress down welds, have to finish rear of Right Cap but had to attain a replacement Argon/CO2 bottle to continue welding.  Then can add in the Outer Rocker Panels and get to prepping, with plastic cover work of body work and priming.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2024 at 6:38pm
Welding is Complete, since photos taken, ground off high spots of pocket welds and started sanding off the peeling material on the roof, working down the cab to self etch filler prime once get all the spot filling done.  Even trial fitted old door to check body lines.






Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2024 at 6:46pm

Can really see the Dent been removed Lower Right Corner, similar done at L Upper.  Have Woven Cookie grinder wheel will be removing the Seam Cover in the two cab channels and replacing with a Two Part hardening flowable self leveling filler as it has pulled away from the cab skin.

Wife none to amused with me as removed that seeping KW fuel tank, took to Car Wash and flushed as much as could remove internally, hauled it to Haslag Welding Krakow MO, 3-5 weeks will be Strapped and bad spots repairs.  Hauled in Her Explorer as the Above truck is a bit out of service!!!




Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 6:26am
Haslag called Friday, tank is completed.  They were quite surprised as I, NOT ONE TIME called to ask of progress and it worked in without concerns.  Is costly yet cheaper than the $1300 replacement fuel tank. $628, will be picking it up if happen to a Rainy day off this week. 
Getting there on Ford Roof, will post a later photo as the Channels have had the Seam Sealant removed and primed for today's activity of replacing that as was pulling away from the roof sheet allowing moisture to corrode the skin.  Body filler work is 99% completed on Cab and R Rr replacement Door.



Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 10:37am
This is Today, Seam Seal on roof, door repair much better, and a photo of the bottom on rear doors.





Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 10:42am
This was the door skin as Lifted the wrinkle and straightened that rolled corner.





Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 1:27pm
I have body work on several cars/ trucks in the last 50 years.... No more.. I sure DO NOT miss sanding and preping putty to paint !

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2024 at 1:47pm
Just takes patience, to which my own gets scarce once in a while.


Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2024 at 3:07pm
Looking good, body work is time consumming and sometime you just need to walk away for a bit.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2024 at 6:35pm

Day off Today, back to work tomorrow.  Did get the seeping fuel tank off and to a weld/Fab shop for Strapping and small patches to repair it.  $650 to fix, or $1200 to replace the tank with Like Kind or $900+ to install just a Fuel Tank, this one is split 50/50 Fuel/Hydraulic.  Still have a PTO on the truck, just lacks a Pump and piping.

Sanded the Grinding work and dings Grits: 180, 320, 600, 1000 then ran over the entire tank with a Buffer.  All back Installed.



Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 May 2024 at 4:27am
Getting down to masking sanding and priming stage. Get a day off as to rains or associated issues unable to work at yard and is a considered Part Time gig so catch up days show up as did yesterday.

Hope to be ready to prime it out tomorrow.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 04 May 2024 at 6:06pm
Today's results, cab is Masked, the inner rocker attachment welds have been ground down, bottom of cab floor scraped off where will be applying Epoxy Primer tomorrow.  Have my over spray curtains back up, have some sanding on doors, the fenders and 'Shiny' spots on cab to where can apply self etch primer on those.

Providing all looks good after priming, will be ordering paint, returning to the original JM Code Toreador Red Metallic, no gray under panel this time.



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