I need a little goat info
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Topic: I need a little goat info
Posted By: Ranse
Subject: I need a little goat info
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 6:36pm
| Back in late August or September my daughter and her husband got a pygmy goat as a pet. They said when they brought it home that it wasn't full grown. Now I never owned a goat or know anything about them, all I know is it was small, but it was a pygmy goat after all. Here lately the kids have noticed the goat getting bigger, but they asked some friends and were told its normal for goats to gain weight in winter. However I was looking at it today, and judging From what I know about cattle, I'd say it's about to pop. I noticed its sack and utters were filled out and its vagina was swollen. I told my daughter and she's freaking out and asking me what to do. Like I said I don't know anything about goats so I don't know what to tell her. I wouldn't think there would be anything to worry about, but this is a young goat and I was wondering if goats ever have trouble having babies like heifers. My daughter main worry is the baby goat freezing. Should this be a concern? The low tonight is supposed to be around 9 degrees. I know cows have calves when it's really cold (usually when it Happens) without trouble. I know this isn't about farm equipment, but I'm sure someone has goats and can help me out. Thanks |
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:19pm
| Don't worry about it, it seems like the old gals filthy darn things are always laying down and shelling out 2 or 3 more of the filthy darn things. Never seem to have any trouble. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:24pm
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Baby goats will freeze/chill at those temperatures if you have a nice clean place with good hay bedding the baby(s) should be fine.Do not over feed the does as the kids can be too big for her to have them and hopefully she was bred to another small breed buck. |
Posted By: DaveWisc.
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:39pm
| We have Boar goats but they are still goats. The help you need is just what they are telling you need to keep them warm usually no warmer than 30 to 35. And dry like they said. For shots see your Vet. We give what we call Bosie for white muscle,but we live in Southwestern Wisc.If you need help PM me |
Posted By: drobCA
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 7:44pm
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was/am considering raising a few. can you confirm or deny that pygmies are far messier and noisier than full size - say Nubian or Boer? ------------- 3 Ford 8N's I loan to neighbors, but the '52CA, '41B and little B1 I do not. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:01pm
| The kids called the guy that sold them the goat. He vows it was to young to breed when he sold it to them. I don't know the gestation period, but if it was breed when they got it in Aug or Sept would it be ready to birth now? This goat has been fed well, so if the kids are to big, how does one help her? You can't sleeve a goat I wouldn't think. |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:17pm
I cannot. As I stated I've never raised goats of any kind. I've been around cattle all my life, but no goats. I can say this one is not very messy, but they only have the one. It will also bah at you and beg for food anytime you're around, but that's because my daughter has spoiled it. |
drobCA wrote:Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:21pm
Calling dr pohl...
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Posted By: drobCA
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:24pm
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pygmy goat gestation period = 157 days. sept oct nov dec jan = 151 hello, impending grampa. ------------- 3 Ford 8N's I loan to neighbors, but the '52CA, '41B and little B1 I do not. |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:30pm
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Only thing I know is they have a rectangular pupil, which creeps me out looking at them. It sounds like it's time for them to be reading up on Mr. Google about birthing goats. They might also want to consult a Vet to make sure it's not some other issue. I don't know their cycle, but it might be putting on weight and the other issues you mentioned because it's in heat. I guess that the correct word is "fresh". ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 8:46pm
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Brother just went thru this in upstate NY, checked the goats they got for the kids last summer and sure enough, found two little ones around 11:00 PM Christmas night, at below zero. Decent shed and all but one was nearly a "goatsickle" and the other was up and running around the pen. Took it with mama and the other young un' into the house in a spare bathroom off the garage, massaged the little guy till he came around and fought the first time mama to get her to nurse. My advice to him was to block off the heat for that room and get bedding down until he got the little one up and running because they had to go back outside. Also had him pick up some canned milk from Petco and get the little guy on it PDQ as that stuff is amazing for small animals. Canned "goats milk" the next day helped the little guy take off and they went back outside yesterday after he rigged up a heat lamp. The mama was supposed to be young and never exposed when they bought it. Said they made a helluva mess out of that bathroom, the bathroom he totally remodeled just two years ago. His wife is happy, she get's another new bathroom come spring.
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Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:00pm
| I've got larger goats and they seem to have kids pretty easily, but mine won't go to the shed to have them, just drop them anywhere and they are very sensitive to cold. I lost 2 sets 2 years ago when it was warmer than this. It was early spring and we still would get some frost and the little things froze. I've got small children who love animals so goats were a cheap solution. Other than keeping them wormed and trimming hooves I like to have them around. |
Posted By: copyrite1972
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 10:32pm
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yes they will freeze! keep an eye on her till she pops, dry the little fart(S) off! A heat lamp in a small shelter will help a lot! ------------- D15 Series II |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 2:33am
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 2:39am
I've raised about every breed of goat there is dairy and meat goats.Goats aren't really any messier than any other animal its how you keep them as most people with goats it seems have way too many for the space they have which leads to all kinds of trouble.That said Pygmy goats can be one of the most aggravating animals on the Planet(LOL) I raise Kiko meat goats now,had Boers they didn't work for me. |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 4:04am
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raised pygmies, nubians, lamancha's, etc. and have found a goat is a goat, with the exception of the pygmies, they are small agile little buggers and can be a pain in the but to keep in a fence. with all goats they will always try to get into feed of the other animles, we had sepperate pens but goats, cows, ducks, chickens, etc. used the same pasture, you'd be amazed the places goats can get into, they love anything with thorns...ya no like roses...lol. I don't think there messy, but not as easy to train on electric as the cows. sounds like your getten ready for some new kids if she's bagged up, if just bloated then your feeding them to much, just a tiny bit of grain or a goat will bloat up. first timers you need to make sure mama takes care of em and yes they will freeze, lots of warm bedding and watch for drafts. ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 6:40am
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OK.. 'somewhere' I saw a picture of a'shelter' made from a 1000L tote. Cut a door in the front, hung a light from the 6" top hole. Thought that was real clever. Probably a better idea than telling the family to bring mama and kids INTO the spare bedroom.... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 8:11am
| I've done this and it works well. Don't have heat lamps in mine though. I like to put my billy goats away from the women folk when their services aeent needed and use the totes as movable shelter for them. The billy's do a fantastic job keeping the pond dams mowed. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 9:12am
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Rance, I'd call a local vet to check her. It will either ease your mind or get you prepared for what is next.may be cheaper to take her in if she can ride in the front seat with you. We are calving now and I dread the next few nights. I usually loose a ear tail or hoof if it is real cold. On the calf that is , I always loose my tail!!!! ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 9:21am
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I don't know nuthin bout birthing goats ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: drobCA
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 9:31am
Lonn is auditioning for "Gone With The Wind"???!!  ------------- 3 Ford 8N's I loan to neighbors, but the '52CA, '41B and little B1 I do not. |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 9:50am
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If you see her starting to give birth, watch closely. If she's progressing, leaves her alone and don't try to help. If she doesn't need help you'll probably do more harm then good. After they're out keep an eye on them. Help if she NEEDS help, not because you want to. It's pretty easy to spot an animal in stress. Good luck and congrats grandpa ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 11:44am
| They are a lot like cows right before birthing,, When its that cold the babies will freeze, good straw is not enough, if they cock their head/neck around get them in good heat fast , usually by that time its too late- found out the hard way |
Posted By: calico190xt68
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 12:11pm
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I suppose a goat could be considered Farm Equipment if you painted it orange and called it a weedwacker. [:)] I pin up the sheep, place heat lamp in the corner and it they stand up, they will find the heat lamp. If they don't stand up, then it can be tough to save them unless you happen to catch them shortly after birth. ------------- 80 7010 w/Cab, 67 190XTD Series I w/500 Loader, AC 2000 Plow, AC 4 row Planter, AC 77G Rake, Member Indiana A-C Partners, Member TAC |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 12:15pm
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I sure can't help,,,,,,,,,,I don't know the difference between a goat and a sheep. But giving birth is just like Tyler says, leave em alone unless they start to show stress. You'll know when it's happening. Being the first time, I probably wouldn't let the kids watch, in case of problems. You don't want them to see a still or breach birth, or worse.... ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 8:46pm
I'd pretty well give up on this goat. I thought it would have happened days ago. I figured maybe she was just in heat and bloated as stated. Well it happened today. Just one kid as far was we can tell. Now my daughter is calling us with a new problem. The mother head butts the kid when it tries to suck. I've had this problem with cattle before. Usually when a cow does this they show no interest in the calf at all. The mama goat did lick her baby off, but now won't allow it to suck. My son-in-law held the mama and let the kid suck. I have had success forcing cows to accept their calves by doing this. It usually takes about 3 or 4 days if it works at all. Will this work with goats? I'm guessing it will and it's about the only thing I can think to do. I'd just thought I'd ask someone who might know. Thanks
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 8:49pm
| Might be mastitis or some other condition, in mamma, that causes nursing to be painful... |
Posted By: cnafarms
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 10:20pm
| First time mother then her mother instinct hasn't really kicked in yet. May take couple days watching her carefully to make sure little fella is nursing. I'd say as long as she cleaned it off and hollers for it she'll be fine. Just like heifer when she has her first calf may take little while for all her God given instincts to kick in. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:05am
| takes it inside, puts it in your lap and gives it a bottle! |
Posted By: dt1050
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:53am
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as mentioned above ya got 2 choices, continue to force her to nurse and see what happens or milk mama and bottle feed.
edit: so much fer her bieng to young to breed...  ------------- Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:32am
| Yes, I believe the goat was obviously bred too young. We are going to continue the force nursing for now. Bottle feeding will be a last resort. Calves grow much better and are healthier if raised by their mother. I'm sure it's no different for goats. And bottle feeding is fun at first, but becomes a chore after a while. Thanks to all for the advice. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:38am
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yeesh how'd that BIG kid come outta that LITTLE goat ?? I do hope mama let's the kid drink soon ! I must be getting old, I really like the picture.me, who'd a thunk that Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:48am
| Congrats! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 8:20am
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Congratulations! Looks like its up and moving! You may have to nurse it. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: DakotaSteve
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 12:08pm
| PM me your number and I can give u a call if u like....we had sheep and goats....lambs out 150 pure bread ewes every year as well. Spent many sleepless nights working in jan-Feb. Would love to visit if I could help at all. |
Posted By: Harvey/pa
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 8:04pm
| Never had goats but oldest daughter got some several years ago, one of them does not "own" her kid every year. Daughter holds the mother every few hours for the baby to drink until its big enough to steal from Mom when she is not paying attention or it gets adopted by another goat. It would have left here year one but she is too kind hearted for that, She will keep it up till that goat dies or won't breed anymore. Sure hope you have better luck...Harvey |
Posted By: Ranse
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 9:13pm
My daughter is the same way. Her animals will never be sold because she's afraid someone will eat them. The mama goat seems to be coming around. She allowed the kid to nurse yesterday. They plan to let them out of the shed this weekend and see what happens. My daughter plans to keep both goats. The kid is a male, so he will have to lose his manhood at some point to avoid inter breeding. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 4:51am
Best, to do that little chore, NOW, afore he gets any BIGGER! Google Elastrator...
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 4:58am
| she want 2 more? |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 7:57am
| My wife used to think that she had to have goats, and I developed quite a hatred for them things. Last one we had, got nick named the Tasmanian devil. Stupid thing ran around the place like a whirl wind. Just plain stupid ringy thing. Couldn't keep it contained to save our hide. Would get out of any pen we put it in. Finally got it captured, and put it inside the barn, Four walls and a roof; no way it could escape. WRONG! There was a barn sash window in the outside wall. About five feet from the floor to the bottom of the window. All four panes of glass in tact, plus the wood bars in place. Darn thing must have taken a flying leap and went right through the window. Last time it was seen, was by the neighbors, running wild through their hills. I sincerely hope some hungry coyote enjoyed him for lunch. But truthfully, I don't think a coyote could have caught it, and even if it did, I don't think it could have gotten hungry enough to eat that darn thing. My other goat experiences involved farm insurance and new paint jobs on vehicles. I do not care much for goats. I guess there was one time that a bar I frequented had a "goat bar-B-que", and I had enough beers in me to eat it, and I guess that when you're drunk enough, anything tastes good. My best goat advice is: If you get the opportunity to get some goats, don't walk away from it.........RUN LIKE HELL!!!!!! Darrel |