HD15 RESTORATION HAS BEGUN
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Topic: HD15 RESTORATION HAS BEGUN
Posted By: AC Mel
Subject: HD15 RESTORATION HAS BEGUN
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2015 at 10:41pm
Ok, so this is the current project to go under the wrench and to the paint booth (that would be an organic outside paint booth weather permitting) It's been sitting where we parked it when we picked it up in November. I'll post the link at the end if I can make it work for members who didn't get to see the adventure to retrieve it. We gave it a push with the 7G to get it over to the wash hose  Of course being a detroit it fired right up. (needed to steer)  Standard restoration procedure starts with a bath with the 1-1/2'' fire hose nozzle  It works good. It has about 90 PSI and washes off all the big chunks and the rest of the rat nests that the leaf blower didn't get in the original startup  So, then it was out of the bath tub and a couple of days later dismantling the big parts  The canopy needs some re fabrication and repairs. The tank guard is tweaked enough that we're going to replace it with one in better shape from a donor tractor. David will be sand blasting most of these parts before he paints.  So that being said the sandblast and paint shop has also opened  David remembers the HD5 project 2 years ago had a lot smaller parts to sand blast and paint. We might opt for a bigger portable compressor before we're done  But we got a truck load of sand bags.  It got a couple more wash jobs with the hot pressure washer before moving to the shop.  I actually fixed the starter solenoid and started it to move this time  Most everything is working almost right. We'll put it up on some blocks so we can get under it to work, wash, paint.  The first thing we're planning to do is a new head gasket. The previous owner thought he was having a problem. Also ordered a new water pump today that appeared to be leaking. So, we pulled this off 2 years ago restoring the Core HD5 to take to the Redwood Region Logging Conference antique equipment display and for some reason we think we can do it again with this HD15 (but man all these pieces are twice as big!!) It's not till the third week in March and we think the HD5 and the big brother HD15 would be a good show. I'll try to post the forum links for members that might have missed them. http://%20www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97198&KW=&PID=773500&title=hd-15-to-ac-collection#773500%20" rel="nofollow - http:// www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97198&KW=&PID=773500&title=hd-15-to-ac-collection#773500 If that worked it would be the link for retrieving the HD15 These other links would be retrieving,restoring and showing the Core HD5 2 years ago http://%20%20www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62066&KW=&PID=485175&title=hd5-dozer-for-restoration#485175" rel="nofollow - http:// www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62066&KW=&PID=485175&title=hd5-dozer-for-restoration#485175 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64995&KW=&PID=510463&title=hd5-dozer-restoration-has-begun#510463" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64995&KW=&PID=510463&title=hd5-dozer-restoration-has-begun#510463 http://%20www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65907&KW=&PID=517837&title=hd5-restoration-paint-shop-is-open#517837" rel="nofollow - http:// www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65907&KW=&PID=517837&title=hd5-restoration-paint-shop-is-open#517837 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66486&KW=&PID=522251&title=hd-5-restoration-almost-complete#522251" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66486&KW=&PID=522251&title=hd-5-restoration-almost-complete#522251 http://%20www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66714&KW=&PID=524321&title=hd-5-restoration-complete-its-showtime#524321" rel="nofollow - http:// www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66714&KW=&PID=524321&title=hd-5-restoration-complete-its-showtime#524321 http://%20www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67420&KW=&PID=530238&title=hd-5-6-at-the-2013-redwood-region-logging-conferen#530238" rel="nofollow - http:// www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67420&KW=&PID=530238&title=hd-5-6-at-the-2013-redwood-region-logging-conferen#530238 |
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Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2015 at 10:45pm
| Ok, it looks like only 2 of those links work. I'll work on that later?? |
Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2015 at 1:06am
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Good stuff Mel. After I`ve rebuilt my tractors, they look about how yours do BEFORE you start work on them! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2015 at 9:06am
| It's always a pleasure reading and viewing your threads, Mel. Still looking forward to having the time and money to make it out there to see all of this stuff firsthand! Darrel |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2015 at 9:58am
I'll try thishttp://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62066&KW=&PID=485175&title=hd5-dozer-for-restoration#485175" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62066&KW=&PID=485175&title=hd5-dozer-for-restoration#485175 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64995&KW=&PID=510463&title=hd5-dozer-restoration-has-begun#510463" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64995&KW=&PID=510463&title=hd5-dozer-restoration-has-begun#510463 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65907&KW=&PID=517837&title=hd5-restoration-paint-shop-is-open#517837" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65907&KW=&PID=517837&title=hd5-restoration-paint-shop-is-open#517837 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66486&KW=&PID=522251&title=hd-5-restoration-almost-complete#522251" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66486&KW=&PID=522251&title=hd-5-restoration-almost-complete#522251 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66714&KW=&PID=524321&title=hd-5-restoration-complete-its-showtime#524321" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66714&KW=&PID=524321&title=hd-5-restoration-complete-its-showtime#524321 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67420&KW=&PID=530238&title=hd-5-6-at-the-2013-redwood-region-logging-conferen#530238" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67420&KW=&PID=530238&title=hd-5-6-at-the-2013-redwood-region-logging-conferen#530238 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94751&KW=&PID=750588&title=allis-chalmers-collection-to-steam-fest#750588" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94751&KW=&PID=750588&title=allis-chalmers-collection-to-steam-fest#750588 http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97198&KW=&PID=773500&title=hd-15-to-ac-collection#773500" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97198&KW=&PID=773500&title=hd-15-to-ac-collection#773500 |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2015 at 2:40am
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Great pics boys; cheers for sharing them with us; you guys do great work cheers from kiwiland  ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: marion
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2015 at 7:03pm
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looks to be sight glasses on aircleaners on hd15, what are those?? have seen them on other videos, just wondering thanks |
Posted By: Ages Cat
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2015 at 7:55am
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Thanks for sharing your photos of the HD15 restore. ------------- Curt Anderson HD3, HD5B, HD6E, HD6AG,HD6B dozer, I-400, 615, 616,(2) 620, 720, ACP25 lift truck, 1956 D Special Grader, AC 540 loader, AC 655 crawler loader, AC #84 plow, Simplicity lawn tractors. |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 10:21pm
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2015 at 10:46pm
Ok, I'll try that again. We got the head off and didn't find any serious problems other than the forklift wouldn't fit under the shop and lift the head at the same time. (had to make an adjustment) It was pretty easy to clean up and it didn't show any signs of unwanted water intrusions  we put it back on with a new water pump that started leaking while it was sitting   Took it for a hot lap. We had also drained all the other oils and put some old diesel in the transmission / finals to rinse and flush everything out  We needed to drain the diesel out of the fuel tank cause it had been in there for maybe 30 years (it looked like red diesel, but that was before they made it)  All that went as expected. It pretty much ran out of all the finals and everywhere else it might leak. But it did flush everything out when we drained it again.  The paint shop is open now so I'll get some of that posted soon |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2015 at 4:08pm
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Thanks Mel, for taking the time to post the pictures and comments that go along with them. When we see everything that relates to your projects ..... shop resources, nice weather, expertise and your productive way of getting the job done in short order...it all adds up to what dwells only in the wildest imagination for so many of us. It does me so good (and many others I'm sure) to see you do what we dream about. It comes so naturally for you, I'm sure without much thinking. Your generous way of sharing with us what you do gives the feeling that we are included. Hats off to you and your helper(s)!!!!! Eric ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: R.KYLE
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2015 at 8:41pm
| MEL WHAT MAKE IS THE WINCH ON YOUR HD15 |
Posted By: Josh H
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2015 at 9:07pm
| This makes me excited to look at an L crawler for sale this weekend! |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2015 at 10:51pm
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Eric, Thanks for the nice comments. Yes, it is a lot of work, Yes it is a lot of fun. We still have are day jobs to keep going too. This is usually the best time of year for us to pull this off. Especially having to do most of it outside. The weathers been good for the project but we need more rain. Reassembly has started, so maybe we'll getter done. Roy, Both the rear winch and the front cable control are CARCO. The CARCO brand was popular for ACs in the 1950s in this area. I'll try to start a new post soon since orange paint is now showing up in the yard. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2015 at 9:43am
| Ac Mel sure appreciate your sharing pictures. As far as red diesel, I sold that as premium diesel fuel starting in 1974. Hauled millions of gallons of it to the farmers. I guess all that has changed now. |
Posted By: R.KYLE
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2015 at 10:53am
| MEL WOULD THE REAR WINCH BE A J120 CARCO |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2015 at 9:32am
| Roy, The CARCO winch is a G model (G4) direct drive or sliding gear. The CARCO J120 is a bigger winch and might also be powershift. |
Posted By: hd16b
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2015 at 8:06pm
| Mel I am looking for a winch to put on my 16b.I think the winch like is on your 15 would work perfect,I know my machine is a power shift but with the modulating clutch I think I can use it like a direct drive. |
Posted By: Mactractor
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 1:59am
| G80 PS winches should be easier to get hold of. |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 10:43am
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Doug, Yes a direct drive winch like that would work on the HD16B. (we've done that before with dd on powershift 11B). Mactractor is right though, a GS 80PS would be the proper fit and make a nice unit. Those are still out there if you look. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 12:14pm
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Mel, Great posts on your work. I have a small loader dozer (off brand IH) model TD6. I have had it a year and only moved it from its original farm to my daughters place. It is very worn, maybe worn out? It did move under its own power after some coaxing. interesting engine starts on gas and then switch over to diesel. All systems seem to work but sloppy and worn. We did a little work and run the right track off. So we know those are loose too. Trying to decide what to do with this unit? Any suggestions? I know these tracked units can be money pits too. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: hd16b
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 2:31pm
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Mel,I also am looking for some bang pads like are on your 15.WHen I push a side load my track hits the pushbeam.THe parts book does not show one but I have seen them on the b machines.WOnder if one off an older 16 would work. |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2015 at 10:32pm
Chris, I'm not sure what model of TD6 you have.We're familiar with some International tractors. The TD6 is a very popular tractor in Ca. There are lots of them still working in the farming community. We got a TD6 dozer from a cousin in trade for some construction work once. It had been sitting for many years and we were sure with our expertise we could rebuild it and trade or sell it for something AC ORANGE. (LOL). I got it started an drove it almost 3 miles with 1 steering clutch working (said a lot of bad words) on the way.  It had a really nice straight blade with a hydraulic tilt also. We got the steering clutches out, found a donor tractor for parts. But for us it just wasn't as user friendly to work on as our ACs. (but that's all we know). But since you ask, if you can do all the work yourself, it would be ok, parts are still available out there. It's a nice little tractor if you can fix it up. Truth be known the people that took this one actually took it for the blade and hydraulics, they had 4 of them already ,but no blades. So when we dispatched it we used our big forklift that we use to move concrete septic tanks.  Doug, I know what you're talking about with the "bang pads". Ironically this HD15 has an angle blade with a C frame where that wear doesn't cause a problem. I'm sure there are some out there for the16B series. But judging from the photos you've sent me you could do this in your shop. They bolt on to the front idler,where it slides, I'll see if I can find some more info and get it to you. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2015 at 8:19pm
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Mel, Sorry to go off topic on you here. Thanks for the remarks on a non orange unit. I think the TD6 I have might be just a little smaller than the one you show in the pictures. Mine is a early 50 machine. I like the way you loaded the TD6! Here are a couple shots as I was getting it started.     Does it take two men to run one of these?   I had fun just getting a different machine running. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: scooter01922
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2015 at 3:41pm
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Hi chris, not a bad looking little guy you got there. If you want more info, advice or anything head HERE http://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=2b3d0704272169eddb092c2f4a8bccac&showforum=9" rel="nofollow - http://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=2b3d0704272169eddb092c2f4a8bccac&showforum=9 I usually hang out there but since i bought a 653 recently just joined up here. Its a great bunch of guys that know everything there is to know about IH equipment. |