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ezlle71 
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Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 12:54pm |
Pop has a 1977 7040 powershift, right at 5000 hours. Was field cultivating and oil pressure lite came on. Immediately throttled down and idled to end of field. It never knocked. Parked it at that farm, him and hired man put a mechanical gauge on it and had 15 psi at idle, throttled up dropped to 5 psi. Fast Forward 3 years. we hauled it home couple weekends ago after we finished my 190xt project. Fresh batteries and a sniff of ether she fired right up to load it. So far him and hired man have checked the pressure relief valve and spring by the oil cooler, the variable oil pressure valve wherever that is, pulled the pan and main cap and rod cap. Bearings look Surprisingly good for 5000 hours. very clean inside, no sludge. Springs for the pressure valves both measure correct length but haven't checked spring pressure. Oil pump moves oil in bucket of oil but haven't figured out how to bench test it for pressure. Any and all ideas would be appreciated. where and what to check. Also its of course a maroon belly and 3500 engine serial # 3D 46253 Thanks guys
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DrAllis
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Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 4:12pm |
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Sudden oil pressure drop makes me think a blown gasket between the oil pump body halves, or a loose suction tube or discharge tube nut or gasket. I had one 7045 that after 6000 hrs had the oil pump gear work almost off of the shaft causing the red lite to come on.
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MACK
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Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 10:07pm |
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I would make sure pump gear or drive gear has not slipped on shaft. MACK
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ezlle71
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Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 11:23pm |
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Thanks for the ideas. I made it to the farm and inspected the parts myself. The gear is welded to the pump shaft so no slippage there. I checked the gaskets on the suction and pressure side of the pump and they seem to have pieces missing and I checked the parts that mount to it and the missing gasket pieces aren’t there. I think we are gonna replace both pressure relief springs and all new gaskets on all that stuff, Oil cooler included since it’s off anyway. We gonna try this first and see where it lands us in oil pressure.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 11:45pm |
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Oil filter?
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tbran
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Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 9:39pm |
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we have had this issue 3 times. Each time either the gear that mates to the crank was spinning on the pump shaft or the gear was spinning on the shaft inside the pump. About the only explanation of decreasing oil pressure when the engine is revved up since you have no blown gaskets...
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ezlle71
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Posted: 09 Mar 2018 at 10:02pm |
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TBran, sorry I wasn’t clear in my post, I think the gaskets are blown out in the suction side and pressure side of the pump. The gear on the pump is welded to the shaft. But I haven’t checked the gear in the pump it’s self. What did you do to remedy that problem? The gear in the pump slipping on shaft. Thanks for the idea to look at.
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ezlle71
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Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 10:56am |
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We split the oil pump, replaced the gasket there and the suction and pressure side. Resealed the oil cooler and new springs in the oil bypass valves. Fired it up and have 25psi at an idle and 55 full throttle, even after warm up. My dad is pretty darn happy! The 7040 will live again.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 10:45pm |
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Good save! I would be very happy too!
So, it was the broken gasket(s) on the oil pump that caused the problem?
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ezlle71
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Posted: 18 Mar 2018 at 10:53pm |
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Yea I think it was the gaskets on the suction side and pressure side. Yea we were pretty excited Friday nite lol
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Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 9:19am |
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That there's some great news!
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Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 9:54am |
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Always a relief to find simple fairly inexpensive solutions to what could be pretty ugly! Sweet!
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ezlle71
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Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 1:19pm |
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Yea, i think 225$ in parts. it could have been alot worse. glad it was relatively straightforward and simple repair. This tractor has 3 jobs, pull the plow, the offset disk and the tandem disk. We will be happy to have it back. Sorting out some wiring issues, the rat had a hayday under the cab with the wiring.
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