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    Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 9:47pm
Hey everyone, as you can see i am new to the forum. I have seen lots of useful info so far. I bought a seriers II 190xtd in the spring to fix up. Big brother to my 2-little 720's. I will spare you on all the stuff I have repaired. I entered 2 farm class pulls(competition sure wasn't stock for sure) and although fun between me and my brothers 190xtd(only 4 serial numbers apart) we were out classed buy fire snorting modified tractors that had no business being in stock farm class. I Didn't do well against a few other stock tractors in the class either.  Second pull at least had a speed limit so we faired a little better. i was down on power but that has been resolved by the fine pump work by Ed Guenther. My pump head was worn out, after his fine work and the addition of some extra power she runs beautifully, with tons more power and response. Can't wait to hook to a sled next spring. With that being said, how does the 190 xtd hold up with this new found power? I replaced the stock clutch with a 6 puck. Are there weaknesses in the trans or rearend that I should address? Best location for weight bars? I presently attached a weight bar at the 4 bolt locations where the snap coupler would have attached, which is just in front of the rear tires. Is 700lbs too much to hang there? Keep in mind, I do use this on our small farm and only enter farm class. Don't have the funds to go differently. If someone has a 190 xtd out there I would like some valuable info please. I pull in 9,000 and 10,000 ib class. Not looking to change wheels, hubs to go into lighter class. Takes too many changes and money to get to 7,000 lb class. Pull as she is.
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"We were out classed by fire snorting modified tractors, that had no business being in a "stock" farm class".   Well, unfortunately, if you think you're going to have huge success with your tractor in the 9 and 10,000 pound class, you're probably wrong. Those classes generally have tractors that have larger engines than yours and that's just the way it is. 40 years ago when most 4020 Deere's didn't have a turbo on them, you could dominate things with a 190 XT. Not anymore. Have fun pulling it as she is. Going to be hard to really compete with 18.4 x 34 tires and 301 cubic inches.
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This is my slightly older brother. 
Ed definitely added power via his fuel injection rebuild. 

Our goal is to have fun and do the best we can without breaking the bank or blowing the tractor(s) up.
Mid pack placement is fine with me since we are staying mainly stock.
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I pull a allis 200 basically the same tractor, I have weigh bracket mounted on the belly and hang a 1000 lbs on there no problem, it will help if you take the air intake pipe of the turbo before you pull , I have bigger injectors and the pump is turned up , run a to4 turbo with a smaller exhaust housing so I can drive it harder , getting 46 psi boost out of it , did good this year running the pace classes in 8500 to 10500 , got 13 first places 7 second places and a few other places , run the tires lower on air like 12 to 14 lbs and balancing the tractor is very important too , best of luck next spring 💪🏻😄
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What speed is your "pace" ?? 5 or 6 MPH ??
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Ours is 8 mph
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The speed here is 5 or 6 mph , they have some 8 mph classes but for farm class that is to fast for stock tractors , I have done it just to see how I could do , I have to start out in 3rd low and then drop it to high and pin it and get around 7.6 or 7.8 mph , I'll still spin out in the end , it never falls below the turbo now sense I put the smaller exhaust housing on , but I don't want to tear up my power director shifting under a load like that , I have the pressure turned up on it but I know it's only a matter of time if I keep doing that something will fail ,
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Thanks for your responses, and yes I realize I am not going to win these classes against bigger tractors. Only looking to have fun and as my brother said hopefully not break anything. Thanks Allisplumber for your good advice. Exactly what I was asking for. I'm running the T04 also, what kind of smaller exhaust housing are you using? I added a lock washer to get pump pressure up for the power director which really firmed up the shifting. If I had the funds, I would get her down to the 7,000 lb class and fair better im sure.
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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

"We were out classed by fire snorting modified tractors, that had no business being in a "stock" farm class".   Well, unfortunately, if you think you're going to have huge success with your tractor in the 9 and 10,000 pound class, you're probably wrong. Those classes generally have tractors that have larger engines than yours and that's just the way it is. 40 years ago when most 4020 Deere's didn't have a turbo on them, you could dominate things with a 190 XT. Not anymore. Have fun pulling it as she is. Going to be hard to really compete with 18.4 x 34 tires and 301 cubic inches.


Id have to disaqgree to point. We pull a series 111 xt with long bar short bar 18.4x34 tires stock motor, stock pressures,stock turbo and maybe pushing 110-115 hp and about 14psi with fluid in the tires it pulls in the 11,000 and 12,000lb classes and 300 lbs light in 12000 and routinely smokes D21s,210s, a jd4620, 4020s and an Oliver 1850 and tractors that have way more cubes and hp. The last pull we went to I put 20ft. on second place in the 12000lb class. I only run 1st low in 12 and 1st high in 11 anymore and it snuffs out. Saying that this was a very tacky track we run in between hot classes to spread out the weight throwing so it was setup for big hp and every track will vary and effect your placing alot.
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Biggest variable in this case is sled and setting. Around here, a 115hp tractor will go 150ft and spin out if in a low gear. The upper end would go 320 and spin out at about 12-14 mph. The Farm Stock tractors around here are 3-400 hp, and are mild compared to some up in wisconsin lol!
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Winning tractor pulling has always been about balance, traction, the sweet spot on the track,position in the line-up, and adequate HP. Mr. Harvestmoon, you are obviously doing many of those things right, and your competition doesn't understand how to get it done with what they've got.
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Seams funny doesn't Ed, 3-400 hp in farm class. That kind of hp was in 4 wheel drive articulating tractors with dual wheels all the way around. lol. Seams like no one follows or enforces rules. Same here locally , I only wish stock farm was true to it's class.  Many of the tractors we pulled against should have been in hot farm. Stock farm should be factory hp and setup. Lol, and look at me talking, I had you turn my pump up just a little bit! lol. All I am saying is I wish rules and inspections were done better, but the crowd can pretty much tell stock from modified. After my pull one of the officals said he could easily tell who had stock and who wasn't. Still didn't make me feel any better about my results.
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Farm stock classes are like that here too. I've unhooked, taken duals off loaded up and went to the pull in the same day. I'd always beat the stock tractors but in the 15000 and 16000, when a tractor spins out in road gear everyone knows it's not stock. They have rules but there rules are vague and technically they fit.
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There are a couple of Brush pulls here in Southern Ontario that  separate "farm stock" from "hot stock" tractors by a 6 mph speed divide in the class. 
For example the 10500s all weigh and line up together and pull at same time.  However if your top speed is 6 mph or less your distance is written in the "farm stock" column, and if your top speed is 6.1 mph or faster your distance is written in the "hot stock" column and the announcer  reveals top distances pulled in each category after the class. 

I like to think this enables an older vintage tractor to still come out and pull against others that are still all original tractors, and let the juiced up tractors go atter for top bragging rights. 



http://www.embrotractorpull.com/2015_ETTP_FarmStock_Results_Final.pdf


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pulling' it's not about how fast you go' it's about how far you go' right Dr' allis..
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I will be better prepared next year as pullin season is over here except for 1 more antique pull. I got some good info from everyone which is what I wanted. I am stripping her down to paint at this point. At least she will look nice when i show up next year. lol
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Originally posted by dawntreader74 dawntreader74 wrote:

pulling' it's not about how fast you go' it's about how far you go' right Dr' allis..


... but if you have enough power to go faster, you usually go a lot further!

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Ed took care of the power issue, can't wait to see her pull ! There is no doubt that it will do far better than this year. 
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Hopefully I won't be far behind you!
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Little brother you beat me twice this year, next year that's gonna change! InjectorEd fixed that problem for me plus some! lol. I wont be down on power that's for sure. And quit hiding weight bar design and location from your flesh and blood brother! I'm new to this and you have years of experience. I still think my design was better. lol. Let's continue to have fun, showem what ole orange can do and for God's sake let's not break anything! 
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i meant InjpumpEd, sorry Ed!
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Right on. More orange the better.
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More power ain't everything, don't get embarrassed when I slowly go past you!  Thumbs Up
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Your right, but POWER and WEIGHT placement is a winning combination! Look forward to next year, I have all winter to learn and then put it to use. You will be wishing you went more than 10% on your pump rebuild....or did you and your fibbing about that too? lol
I love watching you win in antique, but not against me on our 190xtd's!
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Jeez Robbie! Yours is only 11% over! lol! Should be good for right at 115hp!
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Lol, your 11% over Ed is gonna make me grinn ear to ear ! I took the steam ginny to her yesterday to finish getting the grease off to prepare for paint. Kenny Louderback of Louderback Implement is a good friend of our family and I took it there to borrow the ginny. He was our AC dealer. He said the xt sounded sweet when I fired her up! He is 78 and still pulls. Has an impressive 185, water injection, big pump, turbo. Does very well pullin. Also a WD45 diesel that does extreamly well also. 
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just remember to never wash an injection pump while the engine is running!
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Thanks for the tip, she was shut off when I steamed her. The thought of water hitting the fan blades and winding up on me helped me make that decision. lol
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