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steve(ill) 
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 Topic: Miller wire feed welder.
Posted: 22 Mar 2024 at 7:09pm |
Son has a Miller 180 MIG welder about 20 years old... 10 ft gun / cable and the gas hose seems to be PINCHED as does not flow constantly.. I decided to get a 15 ft NEW cable... Looked on line and VEVOR had a buy for $50. All the reviews were good.. I bought one and it came in this afternoon.... LOOKS GREAT.. ( this is the smaller gun used on the units up to 190.... NOT the 210 and bigger welders)..
Just wanted to post that if you have a MILLER and need a new gun/cable, this sure appears to be TOP QUALITY.. Heavy DUTY.. uses all MILLER consumables... Have not installed, but VISUALLY it looks GREAT! ------- photo shows a FLAME coming out of the gun instead of wire.... guess you cant win them all ! 
Edited by steve(ill) - 22 Mar 2024 at 7:11pm
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Posted: 22 Mar 2024 at 8:23pm |
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Must be using propane as a shielding gas!!! LOL
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Codger
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Posted: 22 Mar 2024 at 8:38pm |
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and all the upheaval over the princess Kate family photo......
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A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2024 at 8:46pm |
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Ha! I was looking at clamp on handles for drills the other day, and saw one where they had clearly just taken random pictures of people using drills and photoshopped the handle they were selling onto the picture. Nobody was actually using the handle. Can't find it now that I'm looking for it.
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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 23 Mar 2024 at 5:22am |
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I think I need a new gun for my Millermatic Vintage 250
Let us know once you get this on and running.
Mine is a tweco but it think I’d rather have a miller next time.
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Posted: 23 Mar 2024 at 5:19pm |
Well, I had the worst issues with my Lincoln Mig,,,UNTIL,,I went ahead and bought an all new torch,, hose,, tips,,,,,best money I spent cause it works like a new machine!!!
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Posted: 23 Mar 2024 at 6:15pm |
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The Liners in the hose/head assembly gettin corrosion or wire dragged contaminates internally, become problematic. Have changed my 210 Miller liner twice now.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2024 at 1:14am |
IMO, the best guns overall... performance, durability, parts availablility, are TWECO an Bernard. The only other that I felt were worthy of fare, was the factory stock gun that came on my first-generation Hobart Handler.
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Posted: 24 Mar 2024 at 4:37am |
I've had, and worn out several Tweco 250, and 400 amp mig guns running all sorts of wire through the years. Fort the homeowner or farm shop, best you are going to get as parts are readily available. Always liked the feel of these guns and having two with different liners installed allows less headache when setting up to do a job.
My latest is a Bernard/Tregaskis using "Centerfire" consumables. It is a 400A setup and although very nice, a bit large for the average use but slick for flux core wire out of doors as you can really put the heat into the baseplate with this. The long neck keeps you away from the weld zone with a lot less heat borne by the user.
I changed my rotary bore welder from a Lincoln back end to Tweco to fit my suitcase feeder when changing to a more compact feeder back in the mid 1990's.
All mine are 15' length and everything has a Tweco back end installed.
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Posted: 25 Mar 2024 at 12:15am |
And Codger brings up a good point here...
When you're picking your gun and whip, don't pick one that is 'too short' or 'excessively long' for your use. You need to get at your weld point, but you don't want the whip to be 'tight' to make the reach, or bending around a hard corner, and you don't want excess whip tangled up around your floor.
Either condition will rapidly accellerate liner wear AND it will tend to get stuck more often.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 25 Mar 2024 at 4:44pm |
VEVOR gun was a Perfect fit onto the Miller 180. Nice to have a 15 ft lead instead of the old 10 ft. Gun is heavy duty and has a plastic spring on the machine end to keep the flexing to a minimum...Quality is better than the ORIGINAL Miller... BEST of all was the PRICE !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 25 Mar 2024 at 9:23pm |
Good to hear, Steve!
I did a search and found this... I think it's the one you posted:
Now, I see that it has conflicting ratings... in one place, it says 150A at 60% duty, but doesn't specify duty cycle of the other ratings... it shows 100A for CO2, and 60A mixed... it shows 0.030 and 0.035" wire...
100A happens really fast when using MIG for general purpose fab/repair. Most guys won't have to worry about overrunning duty cycle on small stuff, but I tend to be in the other sphere.
MOST of my personal MIG welders are Miller CP-200 and CP-300 machines that were originally 3-phase 230/460v machines that I've converted to 240v single-phase. They're wire-burning beasts that have NO problem running 100% duty cycle at their model-name output, and they'll easilly go to 150% of that indicated number and not suggest any problem. What I HAVE found, is that I can rapidly exceed the capacity of my ground clamp and gun... there's not enough gas flow through the gun to air-cool the handle, which I guess is a 'good' thing. The machine that I set up for aluminum will NOT keep up with any long-duty fabrication before it just gets too hot to hold, and I've been considering getting a water-cooling setup to alleviate delays in aluminum work, but the cost is not 'low'. At the moment, I don't do much aluminum, just an occasional repair on stuff made from extrusions, and occasionally some flat plate stuff... so hard to justify.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 25 Mar 2024 at 9:56pm |
The Original Miller Factory gun is 100amp rated.. This Aftermarket is 150 amp at 60%.. Dont see us ever getting even CLOSE to that . This is home repairs of truck / tractor / equipment. I might weld for 10 minutes straight (seldom), but then its time to position more parts and setup.. Probably rarely go over 50% weld time... and not even close to 150 amps........... Gun sleeve is setup for .030 or .035 wire... Son has a 10# roll of .035 in his machine ...
Remember this is a Miller 180 ( 180 amps max) and that is probably 40% duty.. so the gun is rated close to the welder capacity and WAY above the original cable...first thing i did when we got the machine was put a BIGGER 240v cable and BIGGER ground cable with BIGGER clamp... Probably twice the capacity of the Original Miller !!  |
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