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tbran
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3241 |
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Posted: 26 Mar 2016 at 8:59pm |
I also remember seeing 2 intercoolers bolted together with a pipe in and pipe out direct into intake manifold on a 220 many years ago. Also remember seeing one turned cross ways behind the block. Always loved the innovation of gearhead pullers.
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tbran
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3241 |
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an easiest way to adapt the 426 intercooler to the 301 is to use the 301 manifold- and a 426 off a 7040 for example and saw openings where needed and weld the two together flat sides facing outward. the 426 bolts to the intercooler and of course the stock 301 to the head. Otherwise one needs a thick plate, precision drilled holes, counter sunk bores and then drilled and tapped holes.
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When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19508 |
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Stock engine ?? farm application?? use an OEM type gasket.
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rlknapp263
Bronze Level Joined: 14 Apr 2014 Location: Union City, MI Points: 4 |
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What if I am replacing a bad head gasket on a stock unit, do I or should I use a copper?
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 7946 |
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Good to see u on here Jerald, you deffinetly kno your stuff!
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Jerald/KS
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Here is our current tractor Smokin Assetssmokin_assets_lockwood.jpg
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Jerald/KS
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If done to the right hardness, and Max does them right, the stock Allis "Japan" marked rod will give no problem as long as good bolts are installed. We have ran as high as 200 lbs of manifold pressure on our 180 light supers. We have run 3 turbo's and 3 pressure stages consisting of 3x3.4 on manifold with 3.4x3.75 in middle and a 3.9x4.25 on top with a lot of fuel on a 340 cu in setup. We have turned 6000 rpm with Indy Cyl head. Have never bent a rod. Did explode and split a block once, but an external tie bolt system we fabricated has eliminated that problem. Too much rpm will constantly kill the center main bearing, so counter balancing the crank is a good idea. Using Darton sleeves and Ross pistons allow us to run 1400 to 1500 degrees of exhaust temp with no problems. Seal tec wire rings and a copper head gasket are a must for our application but we did run a stock gasket with wire rings when we ran 2 chargers and kept boost at 140 or under. We feel we have pushed the 301 as far as possible. Ran 25 hooks last season and only problem we saw when disassembling engine this winter is the hammering out of pin bushings. Also a tip to make rod bearings take the abuse is to fully groove the main bearing bottom halves so the rods oil a full 360 degrees. And another tip is to get rid of the water. Run a dry engine as it eliminates a nuisance. Hope this helps answer some questions. Happy pulling Allis Guys!
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O.P.S. Heads
Orange Level Access Joined: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Iowa Points: 574 |
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Max Simpson is the only guy we have had heat treat our rods. Zero issues with his work. Good choice there.
Changing the low side gears will require removing the clutch shaft and gears from the torque housing. Not a 15 minute job but better than installing a new 3rd gear in the transmission. By my math if you would install a D19 low range set up, your 7th gear would be 10.25 MPH @ 2200 RPM with 18.4 X 38 tires - 13.97 MPH @ 3,000 RPM. Something else to consider would be installing D19 Final drive gears which are 8.5 - 9% faster than 190 - 200 finals. I'm not sure if you can do this with a 200 rear or not. Can be done with an early 190. That would make your 6th gear about 7.8 MPH @ 2200 and 10.63 MPH @ 3000.It has to be parts from a later D19 - not sure of the serial number break. The splines on the bull pinion shaft have to be correct to fit the differential gears. I agree with Larry, if you can find a 426 intercooler make an adapter plate between the head and the 426 cooler and bolt it on. Manufacture something on each end of the core to enable yourself to pump ice water through it. 40 GPM pump or bigger pump. 1 inch fittings and hose. You can do the same thing with a 7020 intercooler but the surface area of the 426 intercooler core is much larger thus it will cool the air better. Another option would be to buy a 1000 HP air to water intercooler from Precision (or anyone with a bar and plate type core) This will bring your charged air temps below the ambient air temp. Same water pump and hoses. Better than the 426 cooler by quite a ways. See link. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Precision-1000hp-1000-hp-Water-to-Air-Intercooler-NEW-Supra-2JZ-Turbo-RWD-/370734291779 |
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Larry W.
Silver Level Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Location: Luck, WI Points: 278 |
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Yes, use a gutted 7020 manifold, if you are allowed to run a intercooler, easy way is to make an adapter and use a 426 cooler and pump ice water through it.
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200 allis
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Would the intercooler of a 7020 fit my 200
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200 allis
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I know u had mentioned d19 pd gear is that a big job to change. I would like to be around 10 mph if possible.
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200 allis
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Max simpson is heat treating the rods for me.
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O.P.S. Heads
Orange Level Access Joined: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Iowa Points: 574 |
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If your connecting rods are properly hardened you will not have any issues no matter what turbo you choose or what the boost is. Be sure to use new rod bolts when you assemble things. If you run the HX35 with the 12cm exhaust housing and the gate tied shut you will see 45 - 55 lbs. of boost. That should be just fine with your hardened rods.
Bob, you had the HX35 on yours when the connecting rod failed if I remember correctly. Edited by O.P.S. Heads - 19 Apr 2014 at 10:22pm |
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200 allis
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I'm going to run hx35 u made me nervous with pic
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Bob C IL
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At that time a hx50 now a s300
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200 allis
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Bob what turbo u running
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Bob C IL
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MINE AT 60 PSI
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200 allis
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Yeah super 99 has v6-71 they love Detroit's his father runs a john 5010 with v12 in it. I use to run their 1950 with a 6 -71. Also have another 5020 with 8-71. Youtube under burlington county tractor pulls by duck commander.
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Larry W.
Silver Level Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Location: Luck, WI Points: 278 |
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The 99 , super99, and 990 all ran 3-71 Detroit's, 1900 and 1950 ran 4-53's, none ever came with a 6-71! Thats a lot of motor if they are tuned well with a good windmill on top!
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DrAllis
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Never seen a Super 99 with a 6-71 Detroit.....they came with a 4-53 originally.
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O.P.S. Heads
Orange Level Access Joined: 02 Jan 2013 Location: Iowa Points: 574 |
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Balancing engine parts is always a good thing. Do you absolutely need to have everything balanced to run 3,000 RPM or even open RPM - no.
The 12cm housing and head work will help you. If it's a gated housing, tie the gate shut. Not that you would have to do it, but an intercooler will increase HP and FT Lbs. as much as any one piece you can put on it especially if you run ice water through it. |
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200 allis
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Feel safe at 3000 rpm without doing more balancing
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200 allis
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Are club really don't have a rpm rule. Just smoothed ports off and head was refreshed up
I could run a intercooler 12cm exhaust house.
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O.P.S. Heads
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So can you run open RPM? Good to hear about the flywheel and clutch. Have you done any port work to your cylinder head? Also, can you run an intercooler? Lastly, what exhaust housing does your HX35 have on it?
As far as 7th gear @ 8500 lbs. you won't do it without a DB .450 pump. It sounds like you may have a flywheel clutch that will do the job (if it is a multi disk), but the PD clutch will have to be removed. It will slip if you ever get enough power to run 7th gear weighing that much. D19 low side PD gears will slow 7th gear down by about 8%. Still will need a bigger injection pump than your .390. Edited by O.P.S. Heads - 18 Apr 2014 at 9:58pm |
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200 allis
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I have a steel flywheel and double disc clutch coming
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200 allis
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The reason I'm doing more to my tractor is to beat my buddies oliver super 99 with a 6-71 detroit.
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O.P.S. Heads
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My mistake. His is running open RPM I think with a cast flywheel and P.D. clutch. He should be running no more than 3,000 unless those are changed.
Point is, I think a 301 with a 250 cc pump @ 3K RPM won't spin an H1E / HX40 where a H1C / HX35 might work better. |
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O.P.S. Heads
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You are correct for open RPM 301. He is limited to 3,000 RPM with no cooler and a small output injection pump. The HX40 is the newer version of the H1e and would be better yet for open RPM.
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Acllss puller
Bronze Level Joined: 02 Oct 2013 Location: Ny Points: 181 |
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Skip that HX35 put on an h1e holset and kick some, h1e open rpm 22 exhaust housing,Vogel cam ,water and intercooler will get you 500 horses at 60 lbs of boost. One nasty little turbo 2.37x2.67 I think.
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200 allis
Silver Level Joined: 11 Mar 2014 Location: new jersey Points: 201 |
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Is 7th gear possible for me to run at 8500lb class
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