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Lead ore production to shut down in US

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    Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 10:19pm

In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close.  The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.

The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri’s extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its “primary” designation.  The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers.  Several “secondary” smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.

Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard.  Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter.

Whatever the EPA’s motivation when creating the new lead air quality standard, increasingly restrictive regulation of lead is likely to affect the production and cost of traditional ammunition.  Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California.  The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act.

At this time, it’s unclear if Doe Run or another company will open a new lead smelter in the United States that can meet the more stringent lead air quality standards by using more modern smelting methods.   What is clear is that after the Herculaneum smelter closes its doors in December, entirely domestic manufacture of conventional ammunition, from raw ore to finished cartridge, will be impossible.

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Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/end-of-an-era-last-u-s-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december/#ixzz2jAiB587l
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SHAMELESS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 2013 at 10:22pm
bet they'll let china import lead to the USA! guess we'll be using bolts and nuts for fish weights now!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 5:24am
Have friends/distant relation family working the mines around Arcadia and Viburnum. not much been happening until now and the thought is they will also close due to lead uptake issues of the miners.

Personally I believe the EPA is out of control, they shut down mining of some ores due to land contamination from the ore coming out of the ground, they hit Doe Run so hard as they considered ANY lead contaminates as too much. I dare say the environmentalists have had their day and are now killing all the industries here.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DiyDave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Oct 2013 at 5:30am
Originally posted by SHAMELESS SHAMELESS wrote:

bet they'll let china import lead to the USA! guess we'll be using bolts and nuts for fish weights now!

And they'll sure sell us all the bullets that the government wants to shoot at us!
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Ok...I gotta ask what's in 'non-leaded' bullets ?
 
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Waterfowl hunting in the US already requires other than lead shot - so many older shotguns can not be used as they will not stand up to steel shot for long .
 California just banned lead projectiles from any firearm so the mighty Cal legislature must know something everyone else doesn't . Seems the automotive CARB laws now effect the nation and now their gun laws soon will also.  
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I read an article in the paper here a couple years ago.  Apparently swans were dying in the lakes for no apparent reason.  The DNR took some to their scientist and they discovered the stomachs were full of lead shot.  They determined it was from shotgun shells fired during duck/goose hunting.  Swans eat stuff off of the lake bottom and they figured that the shot was ingested while they ate.

The area in SW WI where I grew up was at one time, I think the late 1800s, the lead capital of the US.  Stories estimated the population in the area equal to Chicago.   When I was growing up there were no active mining going on for lead but there are still plenty of abandoned mines in the area.  The last active mine, the Eagle Pitcher, closed in 1979.

I'm not sure why the EPA would be pressuring lead mining operations for pollution.  They should not have any control over any type of mining operations.  Especially when they have absolutely no control over the poisonous chemicals that fracking is pumping into our aquifers.  From what they are writing in the local paper about the one that is starting up here, they just tell the State where they are going to work and then just go ahead and start operations.  There is no Government control over any of the operation. 


I'm not trying to start a political arguement, I am just stating what the paper is reporting.  If someone wants to discus this further maybe they can start a thread on the Politics Forum.
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John, you were doing good until your last paraghraph. "Not trying to start a political argument"  and  "If someone wants to discus this further maybe they can start a thread on the Politics Forum ". ... So if anyone wants to post anything more to this thread, they are suppose to go to political section now...Thats the way it reads. ... "this" does not delineate to just the this 'lead' thread or your news paper article comment. Now I am not trying to start an argument... Just stating my observation.
 
  Secondly, why do you think Coke posted it this catagory? .. So those that don't read the politic forum can get informed of what is going on.  Even you know that if you don't know what is happening around you or even in this country, you simply won't know and can't make good evaluations. Specially when you go to vote.. .
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Not tryin to start an argument... 100% fiction!
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It is a touchy area on all lead use - from lead paint that was banned or came into disfavor around 1973 or so to lead shot used for waterfowl hunting which has been banned totally in 1991 but also was started state by state in the 1970's .
 In fact some states ban lead sinkers for fishing or discourage the use of . Lead in gasoline also came under 1974 restrictions and 1986 on road fuel to 1996 ban on production .  So lead has been on the hit list for a long time .
 The availability of other products to use to replace it is the next problem - especially as many older firearms will not stand up to anything besides lead shot. Shot cups do help prevent barrel wear though . 
 Yes I did post it here for many to see rather than political as it is informative rather than a statement - but if someone wants to comment or start another post I am sure some discussion can come up.  
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  Here in the Land of Fruits and Nuts lead ammunition has been banded from the condor range for a few years already.Solid copper seems to make the bureaucratic nuts happy.Law enforcement not so much,copper doesn't expand much and goes thru Kevlar like butter,but then most hunting bullets from a center fire rifle will.Doesn't put large game down very well ether.It cost a lot more too. Oh what great country we live in with the left coast leading the down fall.
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"There is no Government control over any of the operation" ----thats pure BS
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As of January 1st 2014 a zero tolerance policy for lead in Plumbing products goes into effect. In the past there has always been a small trace of lead used in the manufacturing of brass. Brass has been used for over 100 years. Even though they cannot prove this minute amount of lead has ever caused a problem, lead is a bad word and has to be eliminated. Legislation started in California and spread nationally. All they have done is make brass more expensive and now most faucets are made out of plastic
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it is only too sad the writing on the wall was this is done for political reasons. Dad was a WWII Navy vet as is my Uncle, so many of those men and women worked with around or in lead products yet none showed any odd resultant injury from scraping lead paint, painting lead paint, using lead to seal plumbing, soldering with raw lead or melting lead in pots for other uses, or for the use of lead in ammo for the game they hunted and ate. All a political gesture as the industry finally dies the band in Washington plays on claiming such massive returns for killing the process.
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