Unofficial Allis Homepage
[Main Page] [Owners Registry] [Allis Store] [Parts Etc.]
Forum Home Forum Home > Other Topics > Politics
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

IRS targets conservatives

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
Coke-in-MN View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Afton MN
Status: Offline
Points: 27735
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coke-in-MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: IRS targets conservatives
    Posted: 10 May 2013 at 12:37pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.

In some cases, groups were asked for their list of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said.

"That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review," Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association.

"The IRS would like to apologize for that," she added.

Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. After her talk, she told The AP that no high level IRS officials knew about the practice.

Agency officials found out about the practice last year and moved to correct it, the IRS said in a statement. The statement did not specify when officials found out.

About 75 groups were inappropriately targeted. None had their tax-exempt status revoked, Lerner said.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called on the White House to investigate.

"Today's acknowledgement by the Obama administration that the IRS did in fact target conservative groups in the heat of last year's national election is not enough," McConnell said. "I call on the White House to conduct a transparent, government-wide review aimed at assuring the American people that these thuggish practices are not under way at the IRS or elsewhere in the administration against anyone, regardless of their political views."

Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.

Certain tax-exempt charitable groups can conduct political activities but it cannot be their primary activity.

IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress in March 2012 that the IRS was not targeting groups based on their political views.

"There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman told a House Ways and Means subcommittee.

Shulman was appointed by President George W. Bush. His 6-year term ended in November. President Barack Obama has yet to nominate a successor. The agency is now being run by acting Commissioner Steven Miller.

"The Ways and Means Committee has persistently pushed the IRS to explain why it appeared to be unfairly targeting some political groups over others — a charge they repeatedly denied," said Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., chairman of the Ways and Means oversight subcommittee.

"The IRS's 'too little too late' response is unacceptable, and I will continue to work to ensure there are protections in place so no American, regardless of political affiliation, has their right to free speech threatened by the IRS," Boustany said.

Tea Party groups were livid on Friday.

"I don't think there's any question we were unfairly targeted," said Tom Zawistowski, who until recently was president of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, an alliance of tea party groups in the state.

Zawistowski's group was among many conservative organizations that battled the IRS over what they saw as its discriminatory treatment of their effort to gain non-profit status. The group first applied for non-profit status in June 2009, and it was finally granted on Dec. 7, 2012, he said — one month after Election Day.

During the 2012 election, many tea party groups applied for tax-exempt status under section 501 (c) (4) of the federal tax code, which grants tax-exempt status to social welfare groups. Unlike other charitable groups, these organizations are allowed to participate in political activities but their primary activity must be social welfare.

That determination is up to the IRS.

Lerner said the number of groups filing for this tax-exempt status more than doubled from 2010 to 2012, to more than 3,400. To handle the influx, the IRS centralized its review of these applications in an office in Cincinnati.

Lerner said this was done to develop expertise among staffers and consistency in their reviews. As part of the review, staffers look for signs that groups are participating in political activity. If so, IRS agents take a closer look to make sure that politics isn't the group's primary activity, Lerner said.

As part of this process, agents in Cincinnati came up with a list of things to look for in an application. As part of the list, they included the words, "tea party" and "patriot," Lerner said.

"It's the line people that did it without talking to managers," Lerner. "They're IRS workers, they're revenue agents."

In all, about 300 groups were singled out for additional review, Lerner said. Of those, about a quarter were singled out because they had "tea party" or "patriot" somewhere in their applications.

The IRS statement said that once applications were chosen for review, they all "received the same, even-handed treatment."

Lerner said 150 of the cases have been closed and no group had its tax-exempt status revoked, though some withdrew their applications.

"Mistakes were made initially, but they were in no way due to any political or partisan rationale," the IRS said in a statement. "We fixed the situation last year and have made significant progress in moving the centralized cases through our system."

Marcus S. Owens, who spent a decade leading the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, said Friday that it made sense that the problem arose among workers in Cincinnati because the agency "really has delegated a lot of authority" to local offices to make decisions about handling their workload.

But Tea Party groups weren't buying the idea that the decision to target them was solely the responsibility of low-level IRS workers.

"It is suspicious that the activity of these 'low-level workers' was unknown to IRS leadership at the time it occurred," said Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, which describes itself as the nation's largest tea party organization. "President Obama must also apologize for his administration ignoring repeated complaints by these broad grassroots organizations of harassment by the IRS in 2012, and make concrete and transparent steps today to ensure this never happens again."

___

Associated Press reporters Alan Fram and Steve Peoples in Boston contributed to this report.

YOU DON'T THINK YOUR WAY TO A NEW WAY OF LIVING --
YOU LIVE YOUR WAY TO A NEW WAY OF THINKING ..
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Rich-MN View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Ramsey,MN
Status: Offline
Points: 2750
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich-MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2013 at 1:34pm
Notice that they ( the government) will apologize and will more or less repremand the employees for their misgivings...sure...go do a job on someone to either ruin their reputation or not allow the completion of the forms etc., and we will give you the employee ten lashes with a wet noodle at some tax payer funded reception... Freaken bureaucrats,liberals,leftists have a position not a job with government service... They are just like the civil service rocket- it wont work, cant fix it, and cant fire it.
Back to Top
Rich-MN View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Ramsey,MN
Status: Offline
Points: 2750
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich-MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2013 at 1:35pm
add an i to reprimand instead of e.
Back to Top
Lonn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: SE MN
Status: Offline
Points: 13621
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2013 at 1:48pm
Snoopy probably claims it isn't so or has no comment.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5
Mark 4:11-12
1 Corinthians 3:10
John 14:6
Romans 8:34
Isaiah 34:5
http://bookofconcord.org/smalcald.php
Back to Top
Coke-in-MN View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Afton MN
Status: Offline
Points: 27735
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coke-in-MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2013 at 2:30pm
Tried looking it up there _ nothing about it - never happened - move on - nothing to see.
So the IRS has been going after the political enemies of OBAMA! Here again we have tyrannical behavior by members of OBAMA's thuggish regime.

How many examples do we need to have in one week? 

According to the BLAZE, the IRS illegally harassed and bullied and demanded the following: 

A hard copy printout of the website – A PDF file emailed to the IRS will not suffice (and this is the high-tech Administration)
List all Social Media outlets being used (Facebook, Twitter, etc) and include hard copy printouts of every posting
A narrative description of every activity of your organization since June 30, 2010 (filing date) – And they do not want a mere description of the event, but full details – including; who conducted it, their qualifications, who was allowed to take part in the activities and how they were selected, was there a fee? (how much)
The IRS also wants to know about the members of the group and their roles and more, asking specifically for the “name, address, and corporate federal ID of all organizations that are members of our organization”
[...]
Public events are also under scrutiny with the IRS demanding to know the time, location and content schedule of each event.
Copies of any and all handouts must be included.
Names and credentials of all instructors and copies of any workshop materials used.
All speakers must be identified and copies of every speech must be included.

Read more here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/10/shock-irs-formally-apologizes-for-inappropriately-flagging-conservative-group-in-the-2012-election/

 



Edited by Coke-in-MN - 10 May 2013 at 3:03pm
YOU DON'T THINK YOUR WAY TO A NEW WAY OF LIVING --
YOU LIVE YOUR WAY TO A NEW WAY OF THINKING ..
Back to Top
TramwayGuy View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 1449
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TramwayGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2013 at 11:04am
How many applicants were denied exempt status?.. Oh, right; NONE!
So the problem is... ?
Back to Top
JC(WI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: wisconsin
Status: Offline
Points: 12330
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JC(WI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2013 at 11:47am
Originally posted by TramwayGuy TramwayGuy wrote:

How many applicants were denied exempt status?.. Oh, right; NONE!
So the problem is... ?
Why were they targetted?... Why aren't all those that list dependances and don't have any be scrutinized?
He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
Back to Top
LouSWPA View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Clinton, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 10570
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LouSWPA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2013 at 4:38pm
Why doesn't all those churches that the Clinton's, and Obama campaigned over the pulpit
from loose their tax exempt status? That is clearly a violation of the tax laws
I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord;
be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27
Back to Top
Coke-in-MN View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Afton MN
Status: Offline
Points: 27735
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coke-in-MN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2013 at 9:23pm
A audio about this full deal .



Conservative Radio host Mark Levin told his audience Friday that he became a target for more than just liberal haters last year—the IRS was hot on his trail—and a letter he wrote might have spearheaded the investigation into the IRS's treatment of conservative political groups.
Read more at http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/szFIigY8t9g.html#gVStHmFFLzHe6auw.99 
YOU DON'T THINK YOUR WAY TO A NEW WAY OF LIVING --
YOU LIVE YOUR WAY TO A NEW WAY OF THINKING ..
Back to Top
427435 View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2010
Location: SE Minnesota
Status: Offline
Points: 11382
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 427435 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2013 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by JC(WI) JC(WI) wrote:

Originally posted by TramwayGuy TramwayGuy wrote:

How many applicants were denied exempt status?.. Oh, right; NONE!
So the problem is... ?
Why were they targetted?... Why aren't all those that list dependances and don't have any be scrutinized?



Here is way they were targeted.  Call it profiling if you want, but it seems logical to me.


http://wonkette.com/515873/hey-whats-the-deal-with-the-irs-oppressing-those-poor-teabaggers-obscure-tax-law-wonksplained#more-515873

May 13, 2013

Hey What’s The Deal With The IRS Oppressing Those Poor Teabaggers? Obscure Tax Law Wonksplained

by Wonkette Jr.

dont teabag on meeeeeSo folks on the right and in the blogospheres are all argle bargle ranty ranty because the IRS just published an apology for giving special attention to groups asking for tax-exempt status that had the words “tea party” and “patriot” in their names. Seems like there be a need for some splainin about what they hell tax-exempt groups are, and what all the argle bargle is about.

Tax laws exempt some organizations from paying taxes, like charities, religious organizations, educational groups (colleges), and others. Most of these are listed under the tax code 501c3 and 501c4.

501c3 organizations are your run-of-the-mill charities, like Habitat for Humanity. If you give them money, you can take a tax deduction (yay! Happy times!). They can spend VERY limited funds on political activities (like lobbying and buying hookers for politicians).

501c4 organizations are called “social welfare organizations.” They are tax exempt, and can spend some money on lobbying and trying to influence the political debate. But their primary purpose CANNOT be political campaigning. If you donate to this type of organization, you do not collect a tax deduction, do not pass go, whatever.

Neither c4 groups nor c3 groups have to disclose their funders/donors.

Now, noted tard and spewer Karl Rove (R-8th Level of Hell) set up Crossroads GPS as a 501c4 organization. However, when he set it up in 2010, he actually said that political spending would not constitute the organization’s primary purpose. In reality, he spent an asston of monies trying to influence the election. But if the truth doesn’t matter about sending kids off to war, why should it matter on when filling out silly legally binding forms?

Other people clearly followed his stench-inducing lead, and began setting up tax-exempt tea party groups in other parts of the country, to raise the monies and try to get bat crazies elected to Congress to ruin everything, always. This is where it is good to have the IRS hit the pause button and look a little more closely. Surely these people wouldn’t set up shady c4 organizations just to funnel undisclosed money to help political parties –- that would be pure abuse of the tax law, Mr Constitution loving tea party dude!

And apparently some low-level staffers at a regional IRS office were all, wait a minute, these maybe could be not quite what they seem to be, so let’s have us a closer look. We should say YAY to government employees not just rubber stamping that comes across their desk! Scrutiny is a good thing. So they started asking more questions of groups that seemed to have an overly political agenda. They came up with a list of things to look out for in applications, and the list had the terms “tea party” and “patriot” in their names.

We here at Wonkette believe in the rights of all numbnuts, tards, spewers, dick-drinkers, hippies, Idahoans, liberals, and others to set up tax-exempt organizations. Just because the entire purpose may be to rain down fiscal austerity that will ruin any hope we have at peace and prosperity doesn’t mean laws don’t apply equally. But we also believe that if you want to not pay taxes (and make the gubmint go further in debt!) and keep donors secret, then you have to FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES. If you want to be a political organization, then ing be a political organization. No hiding behind obscure tax law, and then making me spend a beautiful day wonksplaining it because you are trying to break the rules!

So we say: IRS employees should be diligent, but making a list with the words “tea party” and “patriot” was probably over the line. But don’t let this stop you from going after people that break the law – those bastards!

And finally, to the blogosphere – this was a couple of bureaucrats in Cincinnati. Of 3,400 applications, 300 were singled out for additional review, and only a quarter of those were because they had “tea party” or “patriot” in their name. It never made it up to the top of the IRS, to the guy appointed by GEORGE W BUSH (suck it, people trying to blame No-bummer). This is not some great conspiracy. So how about a little less faux-rage argle bargle on a Friday – I am trying to day drink here, k? I’m going back to my Irish coffee, you go drink a Big Gulp size worth of dicks


Mark
B10, 917, 7790 Simplicity

Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not.
Back to Top
BStone View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2009
Location: Texas
Status: Offline
Points: 2249
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BStone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2013 at 12:00am
Originally posted by 427435 427435 wrote:


Originally posted by JC(WI) JC(WI) wrote:

Originally posted by TramwayGuy TramwayGuy wrote:

How many applicants were denied exempt status?.. Oh, right; NONE!
So the problem is... ?
Why were they targetted?... Why aren't all those that list dependances and don't have any be scrutinized?



Here is way they were targeted.  Call it profiling if you want, but it seems logical to me.


http://wonkette.com/515873/hey-whats-the-deal-with-the-irs-oppressing-those-poor-teabaggers-obscure-tax-law-wonksplained#more-515873

<div ="date">
                    

May 13, 2013


     
     
     
     
          
               <div id="left_column">               <div ="post-515873 post -post status-publish at-standard hentry category-wonkette_original tag-arglebargle tag-derp tag-irs tag-oppression tag-patriots tag-pt-first-they-came-for-the-teabaggers-and-we-said-hooray tag-tea-party tag-wonksplainer post_ top" id="post-515873">
                    <div ="line_area">
<div ="primary_tag">FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE TEABAGGERS AND WE SAID HOORAY!  <abbr style="color: gray;: right;font-family: verdana;font-size: 10px;font-weight: bold;letter-spacing: 0;    line-height: 14px;" ="published" title="14:22 2013-05-10">2:22 pm May 10, 2013</abbr>                         <h1 ="entry-title">Hey What’s The Deal With The IRS Oppressing Those Poor Teabaggers? Obscure Tax Law Wonksplained</h1>
                         <p ="line_">by <span ="author vcard">Wonkette Jr.</span>


                    
                    <div ="at_text entry-">

dont teabag on meeeeeSo folks on the right and in the blogospheres are all argle bargle ranty ranty because the IRS just published an apology
for giving special attention to groups asking for tax-exempt status
that had the words “tea party” and “patriot” in their names. Seems like
there be a need for some splainin about what they hell tax-exempt groups
are, and what all the argle bargle is about.


Tax laws exempt some organizations from paying taxes, like charities,
religious organizations, educational groups (colleges), and others.
Most of these are listed under the tax code 501c3 and 501c4.

501c3 organizations are your run-of-the-mill charities, like
Habitat for Humanity. If you give them money, you can take a tax
deduction (yay! Happy times!). They can spend VERY limited funds on
political activities (like lobbying and buying hookers for politicians).

501c4 organizations are called “social welfare
organizations.” They are tax exempt, and can spend some money on
lobbying and trying to influence the political debate. But their primary
purpose CANNOT be political campaigning. If you donate to this type of
organization, you do not collect a tax deduction, do not pass go,
whatever.

Neither c4 groups nor c3 groups have to disclose their funders/donors.

Now, noted [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">tard and [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">spewer Karl Rove (R-8th Level of
Hell) set up Crossroads GPS as a 501c4 organization. However, when he
set it up in 2010, he actually said
that political spending would not constitute the organization’s primary
purpose. In reality, he spent an asston of monies trying to influence
the election. But if the truth doesn’t matter about sending kids off to
war, why should it matter on when filling out silly legally binding
forms? <span id="more-515873"></span>

Other people clearly followed his stench-inducing lead, and began
setting up tax-exempt tea party groups in other parts of the country,
to raise the monies and try to get bat[IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp"> crazies elected to Congress
to ruin everything, always. This is where it is good to have the IRS hit
the pause button and look a little more closely. Surely these people
wouldn’t set up shady c4 organizations just to funnel undisclosed money
to help political parties –- that would be pure abuse of the tax law, Mr
Constitution loving tea party dude!

And apparently some low-level staffers at a regional IRS office
were all, wait a minute, these maybe could be not quite what they seem
to be, so let’s have us a closer look. We should say YAY to government
employees not just rubber stamping [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp"> that comes across their desk!
Scrutiny is a good thing. So they started asking more questions of
groups that seemed to have an overly political agenda. They came up with
a list of things to look out for in applications, and the list had the
terms “tea party” and “patriot” in their names.

We here at Wonkette believe in the rights of all numbnuts, [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">tards, [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">spewers, dick-drinkers, hippies, Idahoans,
liberals, and others to set up tax-exempt organizations. Just because
the entire purpose may be to rain down fiscal austerity that will ruin
any hope we have at peace and prosperity doesn’t mean laws don’t apply
equally. But we also believe that if you want to not pay taxes (and make
the gubmint go further in debt!) and keep donors secret, then you have
to FOLLOW THE GODDAMN RULES. If you want to be a political organization,
then [IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp">ing be a political organization. No hiding behind obscure tax
law, and then making me spend a beautiful day wonksplaining it because
you are trying to break the rules!

So we say: IRS employees should be diligent, but making a list
with the words “tea party” and “patriot” was probably over the line. But
don’t let this stop you from going after people that break the law –
[IMG]uploads/1/censored.bmp"> those bastards!

And finally, to the blogosphere – this was a couple of
bureaucrats in Cincinnati. Of 3,400 applications, 300 were singled out
for additional review, and only a quarter of those were because they had
“tea party” or “patriot” in their name. It never made it up to the top
of the IRS, to the guy appointed by GEORGE W BUSH (suck it, people
trying to blame No-bummer). This is not some great conspiracy. So how
about a little less faux-rage argle bargle on a Friday – I am trying to
day drink here, k? I’m going back to my Irish coffee, you go drink a Big
Gulp size worth of dicks


   SOooo, we have a drunk unhappy socialist here?
Back to Top
DiyDave View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Gambrills, MD
Status: Online
Points: 10087
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DiyDave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2013 at 4:36am
Wow, officer obie goes filthy!  Do you really read the crap you post??
Back to Top
TramwayGuy View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 19 Jan 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 1449
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TramwayGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2013 at 7:13am
Let me go further.   I think that all organizations that are primarily political should be scrutinized....not just conservative. Yes, liberal groups as well. Tax-exempt status is not something that should be something rubber-stamped 'approved'.   And it ought to be revisited periodically.
Back to Top
Breeze View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Ga
Status: Offline
Points: 8788
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Breeze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2013 at 8:14am
 npr would be a good one to investigate, we know where they haves their heads
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 10.03
Copyright ©2001-2011 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.125 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum