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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

Why don't you go look at a mopar cam and a chevy cam. I challenge you to measure the distance from center of the cam to center of the dowl pin locating the bushing and post that distance.

Do your homework.
  I have !the allis cams  center is located by the circumference of the cam flange and the inside lip of the gear recess this locates on center on the allis cam.  the dowel is inside this radius for you to make the dowl change radius the gears inside lip or cams flange circumference would have to be turned down. The chevys on center is the dowel. I will make a movie this weekend. planing on spending time in the shop to show the backside of the allis gear and the chevy and the snouts of  the allis cam and chevy cam you will probably know i am refering to you two when a word like moron is said.


You promised us a video this weekend. The weekend is overm where is it? Over a year ago you promised a video of you pulling also.

Man up or shut up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 5:49pm
Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

You seam to not need math to know if your after eight degrees and get eight thats what you was after.oh but wait you may be so stupid someone has to tell you what your after. The original argument was that a eight degree bushing wouldnt give a 226 eight degrees of advance and. The answere is still yes it will even setting at a keyboard doing the math or out in the shop depending on real experience. You can on a three bolt on gear get what your after without putting a pencil to paper doing math. Lets say pin is at 1 1/2 unrealistic inches i put a eight degree bushing in i get say 4 degrees i lock the bolts at four go to one of the third sections that dont have a pin drill it pull the pin locate it in the new section drill locating hole in gear for bushing and 4 plus 4 is eight. I run it decide i dont need it advance so much i take the eight out and go to six. It runs a little better but not as well as i want i pull the dowel move it to original hole install the eight now i am at four degrees advanced. Still no math and a 1/3 place left for a dowel if needed.


Jokes on you yet. The math says that at 1.5" the 8 deg bushing isn't worth 4 degrees either.

Learn math or how to measure. So far you've shown us you only attempt to lie at both


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 5:52pm
By the way did you know that the bushing can't be installed as far out as 1 1/2 inches on the allis cam? Cam flange won't allow it. Don't try to lie on the "net.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 6:11pm
remember this . Here is your pins roughly with a dial caliper and vision . None read .788 so thats just another lie youve told. Sbc.660 BBC .600 ,440 mopar .700 , ford .665 I have the pictures of these cams I can load them into photobucket and if needed show that I have them to not only read center to center but to photograph if someone still doubts who lies. I have looked at them .  allis cam .900 radius works easily 8 degrees 1/16 inch angular deviation . since theres .007 per 1/8  a 1/16 thick bushing would be 3 degrees at 1.5  radius  . as you can see the .007 added material for a 1/8 radius deviation is insignificnat when one accounts for the high spots in the eccentric or gains from offset drilling.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

You need to know the math for helical gears and not apply the math for spur gears on helical. I am in a class all week with the best machinist in the nuclear industry and we have got some good laughs from this when one forgets formulas or misapplies them he should be able to check himshelf with dimensional analysis.ps your dowel is a 12 oclock position offset the gear bushing hole to the left if cam rotates clockwise then you will get more than 8 degrees from a 8 degree bushing.making rod a liar on it always be less. Then if you really want to get as smart us machine gear for hex adjust button. This what our seminar would have covered.



 

You're an idiot and a liar.  Not to mention that if you really beleve what you say now you've put a bushing in a helical gear that was designed to go in a chain sprocket.  Which makes no difference. 

 

The only thing that makes a difference is the distance it is from center and the offset of the bushing. 

 




 

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no its the right or left movement not distance from center . Here is your pins roughly with a dial caliper and vision . None read .788 so thats just another lie youve told. Sbc.660 BBC .600 ,440 mopar .700 , ford .665 I have the pictures of these cams I can load them into photobucket and if needed show that I have them to not only read center to center but to photograph if someone still doubts who lies.



So let's waste more bandwidth. You say it's .660 pin location. But you say in the other post that at 1.5" you get half of the 8 deg. Half of 1.5" isn't .660". No where in the post I quoted here do you have a .750" measurement.

By the wayzm your measurements are as far off as the rest of your thought process (or lank of thought). Let's see the pics. And don't forget the video.

Relax pank. I'm just haveing fun with idiots and posers. In this case you're both.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 6:39pm

. i never said allis was 1.5 .   apparently i found .014 in rolling the bushing cause a 8 degree bushing for a cam from .600 to .700 radius  gave me 8 at .900 radius . i guess i am just that much better than most but i do like you guys flattering me.   when you get what  your after youve got it.  me winning is not just beating you it blisters you. keep the computer mechanics up .i will stick to the real shop work . yeah spur gears and helical are different. 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees . I rememeber you posting like 13.8 on the 60 tooth helical gear



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

 yeah spur gears and helical are different. 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees .



If you have a helical gear with 60 teeth then what is the angle from one tooth to the next tooth?Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 7:22pm
are you still looking at the ground for tdc ?  wil for it to be a helical design the minimum  is around 15 degrees and the maximum is around 45 degrees helix axis

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

 yeah spur gears and helical are different. 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees .

I let that BS slide the other day but not today, You are totally wrong again.
One tooth on a 60 tooth spur gear is 6 degees just as you read somewhere and posted.
BUT one tooth on a 60 tooth helical gear is also 6 degrees.
So is one tooth on a 60 tooth roller chain sprocket
So is one tooth on a 60 tooth flat chain sprocket
So is one tooth on a 60 tooth Chevron gear
A milling cutter with 60 evenlly spaced teeth each would be 6 degree apart
A Christmas tree with 60 evenly spaced ornaments around it would be 6 degrees apart
 
Makes no differance what so ever.
One turn eguals 360 degrees of rotation Pank no matter how you BS it 
In  each turn 60 teeth go by no matter how you BS it. 
360/60= 6 degree no matter how you BS it
 
Post the math if you say differant I want to see how 60 teeth can be anything but 6 degrees and still make 360 each turn???????
 
 Again basic math skill and laws totally elude you while you beat your chest about how smart you are.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 8:34pm
Let me put the question in your words: IF 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees, then 60 helical gear teeth in 360 is_________. Please fill in the blank.

 Would you care to define "
helix axis
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Like a fellow said," If ya find yourself in a hole, stop diggin"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 8:47pm
hey, give pank a break... he's just practicing to be a politician.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 8:52pm
Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

Let me put the question in your words: IF 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees, then 60 helical gear teeth in 360 is_________. Please fill in the blank.

 Would you care to define "
helix axis
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Like a fellow said," If ya find yourself in a hole, stop diggin"
your asking me to define helix axis.   helix cylindrical pitch axis bore. helix angle is the angle between the axis (bore of  a helical gearand a imaginary line Tangent to the tooth 0 to 90 degrees . a 3/8 face 60 tooth helical have a pitch diameter of 3  and a normal pitch of 28 or so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 8:57pm
Hey Charlie you better go check the divider head on that big mill in the shop. Dont ya know you cant just set it at 60 and make a 60 tooth gear??? You have to know what kind of teeth it has, might be 58 or 73 or something???? Angry For a 60 tooth helical radius index circumfance split tooth type for V belts you have to multiply times 5965 to get a 60 tooth sprocket unless you are using a left hand belt tightener then you use 6158.5
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2012 at 9:15pm
That's what I thought Butch. Mitch can't even fill in the blank in his own equation, wouldn't expect him to know the multipliers used for the helical radius index circumfance split tooth type for V belts. Wink
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Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

BUMP. 

Have you run out of entertainment?LOL I've been in the shop calculating feeds and speeds for the CNC mill so I don't accidently turn a 20-35 rad tank into a 60 tooth gear. I know MY BAD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 8:53pm
I figured it was my night to put a quarter in the idiot and wind him up.

"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 9:52pm
you know those who can do those who cant get on the net and make a @$$ out of there self lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 5:57am
Originally posted by Ryan Renko Ryan Renko wrote:

BUMP. 
Smile we share a similar sense of humorSmile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2012 at 5:11pm
Will advance one one tooth see what you get. Oh that means get up off your lazy and do some work. Like thats going to happen with the computer builders. If the allis gear is six degrees why use a degree wheel.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2012 at 3:35pm
Why worry about computer builders pankey?  How's your imaginary friend from fantasy land the super nuk machinist man?
 
You are the one who has nothing to compete with.  Can't compete and won't compete.  You tried to build an engine.  So far you've shown us you can't set valves, degree a cam or port a cylinder head by offering $$$ to see one done properly. 
 
 You can buy parts from others though.  Buy a cam from a forum member cause you can't figure out what to use on your own.  It's nothing special to take a crank to a shop and have them weld it.  It's easy to get some salvage yard rods and put them in an engine.  When it lays down after 5 runs you think you made power but the truth is detonation and stupidity killed it.  Poor planning and design killed it.  You better stick to computer building.
 
Computer builders get on the net and tell others how much they think they know, but can't get off their rear and go prove it.
 
BTW, you promised a video of you pulling well over a year ago.  In this thread you promised video and photo.  To date we see nothing.  Sounds like a computer builder to me.
 
Back to school sales are on.  Maybe the forum could take up a collection so you can buy some crayons and a ruler.  Save your money as protractors and scientific calculators are a bit out of your mental capacity at this time.
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 11:04am
I can make enough power to win with. The bent rod still won. You cant. Dont even have a tractor to win a trophy with do you. Cant find you.. an any pulling points line up . Unllike myself. I set valve lash and degree a camshaft straight out of my lunati warehouse parts catalog.still have a big block anz sb2 if you want to play with builds.

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 EXTRA !!! EXTRA !!!!!!!   Read all about  IT

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lol this thread just wont die

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You know a true hotrodder by his willingness to try anything once to win. You know i guys to poor to play when longivity is his only concern no matter where he finishes.
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Originally posted by Rod B Rod B wrote:

 
  Save your money as protractors and scientific calculators are a bit out of your mental capacity at this time.
 
  
 
Spanky's got a protractor!
 
 
 


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I knew you guys pictures of tractors was drawings. To poor to hotrod. Just draw them..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:08pm
since alot on here have trouble with degree wheels and degreeing a cam . You could use this meethod to find centerline without getting into degrees . Install gears straight up and adjust rocker lash rotate engine till the intake valve and exhaust valve are slightly open stop on tdc now back off lash untill both valves are just barely closed lock down lash adjuster . now rotate engine 1 complete time back to tdc  use feeler gauges to check the lash gap if both are exactly the same your at split ceneterile if the intake is like .090 and exhaust is like .070 your cam is advanced of coarse the other way would mean cam is retarded.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 10:02pm
Not only can you not add 2 and 2 and get 4 You cant even keep your stories straight.
At the begining of this thread you said it doesnt make any differance what distance the pin is from center and spent three days defying 5th grade math and 8th grade geometry then at end of page four you came clean and  said the reality is  you just keep poking holes in the gear and sticking bushings in the holes until you manage to get it right. Now you back to claiming super genious staus again,,
 
Your page four quote in case you forgot
 "i put a eight degree bushing in i get say 4 degrees i lock the bolts at four go to one of the third sections that dont have a pin drill it pull the pin locate it in the new section drill locating hole in gear for bushing and 4 plus 4 is eight. I run it decide i dont need it advance so much i take the eight out and go to six. It runs a little better but not as well as i want i pull the dowel move it to original hole install the eight now i am at four degrees advanced. Still no math and a 1/3 place left for a dowel if needed."


One thing about your method Pank, The more times you screw up the lighter your rotaing mass gets, LOL. 
Why not just put the gear where it needs to be held tempararily by the three bolts and drill and pin it ONCE  when you manage to get it right????
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

since alot on here have trouble with degree wheels and degreeing a cam .
I don't think anyone but you is having a hard time with the concept of degreeing a cam.
 Go ahead, drill all the holes you need to get it rightLOL
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