Allis wd45 cam timing

CTuckerNWIL wrote: Let me put the question in your words: IF 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees, then 60 helical gear teeth in 360 is_________. Please fill in the blank.  Would you care to define "helix axis"? Like a fellow said," If ya find yourself in a hole, stop diggin"

your asking me to define helix axis.   helix cylindrical pitch axis bore. helix angle is the angle between the axis (bore of  a helical gearand a imaginary line Tangent to the tooth 0 to 90 degrees . a 3/8 face 60 tooth helical have a pitch diameter of 3  and a normal pitch of 28 or so.

Let me put the question in your words: IF 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees, then 60 helical gear teeth in 360 is_________. Please fill in the blank.

 Would you care to define "helix axis"?

Like a fellow said," If ya find yourself in a hole, stop diggin"

are you still looking at the ground for tdc ?  wil for it to be a helical design the minimum  is around 15 degrees and the maximum is around 45 degrees helix axis

Edited by mlpankey - 30 Jul 2012 at 7:26pm

. i never said allis was 1.5 .   apparently i found .014 in rolling the bushing cause a 8 degree bushing for a cam from .600 to .700 radius  gave me 8 at .900 radius . i guess i am just that much better than most but i do like you guys flattering me.   when you get what  your after youve got it.  me winning is not just beating you it blisters you. keep the computer mechanics up .i will stick to the real shop work . yeah spur gears and helical are different. 60 spur gear teeth in 360 is 6 degrees . I rememeber you posting like 13.8 on the 60 tooth helical gear

Edited by mlpankey - 30 Jul 2012 at 6:42pm

remember this . Here is your pins roughly with a dial caliper and vision . None read .788 so thats just another lie youve told. Sbc.660 BBC .600 ,440 mopar .700 , ford .665 I have the pictures of these cams I can load them into photobucket and if needed show that I have them to not only read center to center but to photograph if someone still doubts who lies. I have looked at them .  allis cam .900 radius works easily 8 degrees 1/16 inch angular deviation . since theres .007 per 1/8  a 1/16 thick bushing would be 3 degrees at 1.5  radius  . as you can see the .007 added material for a 1/8 radius deviation is insignificnat when one accounts for the high spots in the eccentric or gains from offset drilling.

Edited by mlpankey - 30 Jul 2012 at 6:17pm

mlpankey wrote: You seam to not need math to know if your after eight degrees and get eight thats what you was after.oh but wait you may be so stupid someone has to tell you what your after. The original argument was that a eight degree bushing wouldnt give a 226 eight degrees of advance and. The answere is still yes it will even setting at a keyboard doing the math or out in the shop depending on real experience. You can on a three bolt on gear get what your after without putting a pencil to paper doing math. Lets say pin is at 1 1/2 unrealistic inches i put a eight degree bushing in i get say 4 degrees i lock the bolts at four go to one of the third sections that dont have a pin drill it pull the pin locate it in the new section drill locating hole in gear for bushing and 4 plus 4 is eight. I run it decide i dont need it advance so much i take the eight out and go to six. It runs a little better but not as well as i want i pull the dowel move it to original hole install the eight now i am at four degrees advanced. Still no math and a 1/3 place left for a dowel if needed.

Jokes on you yet. The math says that at 1.5" the 8 deg bushing isn't worth 4 degrees either.

Learn math or how to measure. So far you've shown us you only attempt to lie at both

You seam to not need math to know if your after eight degrees and get eight thats what you was after.oh but wait you may be so stupid someone has to tell you what your after. The original argument was that a eight degree bushing wouldnt give a 226 eight degrees of advance and. The answere is still yes it will even setting at a keyboard doing the math or out in the shop depending on real experience. You can on a three bolt on gear get what your after without putting a pencil to paper doing math. Lets say pin is at 1 1/2 unrealistic inches i put a eight degree bushing in i get say 4 degrees i lock the bolts at four go to one of the third sections that dont have a pin drill it pull the pin locate it in the new section drill locating hole in gear for bushing and 4 plus 4 is eight. I run it decide i dont need it advance so much i take the eight out and go to six. It runs a little better but not as well as i want i pull the dowel move it to original hole install the eight now i am at four degrees advanced. Still no math and a 1/3 place left for a dowel if needed.

Edited by mlpankey - 30 Jul 2012 at 5:22pm

He doesn't even know enough to know that he doesn't know.

Makes sense in this case.

Putting a round bushing with an offset hole in it on a pin with a concentric hole around it involves a whole set of equations that pankey will never understand.

If that 8 deg bushing has say over .100 offset in it, but rember it fits over a pin in a concentric hole to offset it much less than the measured offset of the bushing.

Look like this is going into overtime ......  I'll bite, where would you rather be than in this world, when do you depart?

Edited by Gary in da UP - 29 Jul 2012 at 7:18pm

i must procreate to give keyboard mechanics real world logic

I can tolerate when he exaggerates, pontificates, or even retaliates, I just hope he didn't procreate.

ALinIL wrote: Hankie Pankie - Give it up!  I'm no machinest, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn express.  This has been going on way too long.  You can't teach stupid.

Assuming you have located the high and low spots in the bushing and have used the advantage that gives you allready. In camshafts as far as I know none have a 1 inch radius or the need to have a 1 inch radius .  If you have a bushing with a 1/16 or few thousandths over high spot you have plenty of bushing to get 8 degrees from bushing . Radius deviation is  so insignificant on cams its really not worth arguing . Just get the bushing locate the high and low spots and see what you get . If you had any real world knowledge in doing a cam you would know this .

Edited by mlpankey - 29 Jul 2012 at 6:07pm

Butch, did you hear sompin'

mlpankey wrote: its real hard for you to understand that the three bolts place the gears timimng mark with the cams ground strait up timing. So when the dowl is drilled with the gear bolted on then the dowl is now locating the mark so the bolt holes can be elongated. Then the engineered degree of bushing used to the located engineere dowl moves the cam that many degrees. you drill the dowl inlign with the bolts  besides the cam flange is only so big in diameter and you need enough meat in cam flange for the dowl to hold gear from slipping once bolt holes are elongated.

I just thought I'd save this and bring it back here. Just in case pankey changes his mind and forgets what he didn't know in the first place.

I like the part about putting the dowl out at a diameter of the bolt pattern.

A lack of an understanding of basic geometry is clearly proven. 

The fact that he continues to argue AGAINST something mathematically illustrated in one simple drawing, proves that Rod's latter sentiment is true.