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    Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 1:25pm
Looking at a series 3 or 4 D19...fairly straight but spun rod bearings.....ballpark worth on it as it is and then what's it worth fixed?
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D-19 never had a series. Gas or diesel?
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Gitcha....Gotcha went by paint lol....diesel
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those engines can be a gold mine to overhaul.. I am not sure but I have heard that rebuild kits are no longer available. Plus you might need a couple rods and possibly a crankshaft. I would estimate at least $3000 to get it back running.
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Benny. i think Corn Binder has  a wf ps sc 4 outlet 2500 hr. gasser for sale. pm him. the 19's are going up in value around here.
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Sounds like a scrap price tractor its no good with a bad motor.
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Thats where i always start with something that they cant use. And if you think you can get it for less than scrap good for you.
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Also whole tractors are considered unprocessed heavy breakable cast diffrent price than processed steal. Had many guys try to pull that one over on me. Also have to subtact for weight of tires they charge you for taking them. So there is a good refrence to start on worth.
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Last i checked it was $175 ton for HB cast about a month ago price was diving worth a call to a scrap yard.

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It's only worth scrap price once you have it on the truck sitting in the front gate of the scrap yard.I bought a old Cat D6 that ran for scrap price and made 3 trips before it was in my yard.But you guys are smarter than I ,and would not make all those mistakes.Everyone that owns an old machine thinks there made of gold,and we rustoholics   generally give in and pay scarp price.
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He asked for a starting point for price thats what i gave him. The tractor weights a little less than 7000 pounds that is 3.5 ton at $175 a ton that is  $612.50 subtract some for tires and trucking. I would offer $500 or if you think you could get it for less make the offer most they can say is no. The tractor is worth more than $500 in parts if the sheet metal is nice also if he wanted find a gas motor for 500 to 800 dollars and still have a cheap tractor.So im not sure what your point is Ray. Also not sure your point about the D-6 sounds like you needed better equipment to play the game. 
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The engine sounds to be toast but he just had the rear completely gone through with new everything so he has some money in it....but it's still a big hit with a toasted engine.
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If you had some pics of the tractor would really help with what a guy might offer in my book. Personally,if the tractor was in decent shape and mechanically sound (other than the engine),I'd buy it and stick an 800.00 engine in it and have a nice working tractor at a fairly cheap price. That's just my opinion,nothing more.  Rick
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Will it run enough to find out the condition of the transmission? A jumper could cost a lot to fix.
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Nope he pulled some caps to check the crank....here is the link to it http://classifieds.pennswoods.net/classifieds/viewad.cgi?adindex=1743794

Someone will have to fix the link....doing this from my phone.
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from what im seeing it doesnt look like a diesel but could be wrong photos are too blurry to zoom in, and in that case you can pretty much buy a good running d19 gas for 2000.



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I agree, hard to tell but does look like a gas. The air cleaner is on the right side (view from sitting on the tractor) whereas a diesel is usually on the left.

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Thinking about it I don't remember if I asked him lol.....think I just assumed.....
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Far more gas than diesels out there. Running gas tractor can be had for around $2000. $3000. invested in the reared should give a warning to the cost of fixing things that are found to be bad. $2000 might be a fair price for a diesel with a spun bearing IF everything else is truly known to be good. It is too much for a gas in the same situation. If it cost $3000 to rebuild the rearend, you can just imagine how much it could cost to fix a bad transmission! It is a shame but you really need to consider it is scrap at worst and parts at best. Too big a gamble to to think you can get by with crank bearings alone.
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its gas ,diesel air clearners come out the left hood gas right hood and no diesel had a muffler you got to be able to hear the turbo till you go deaf or till you grow up
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I can agree with everyone,but I will throw in my two cents.
I think that a tractor in that condition is worth more then scarp value, if you start to call around and ask guys for prices on parts (sheet metal,grille,fenders, engine block, drawbar assy,rims and tires seat frame etc. you will find as I have that just a couple of these parts will total over a $1000.
when he said the rear end was rebuild does this include the transmission? Do you want the tractor for restore or to work this would also factor into the value for you.
 
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Can't tell what the tires look like from the picture but if they are good then I'd offer a $1000 for it as it sits. If you're looking at fixing it, a gasser is much less expensive & easier to work on and more used parts are available than a diesel. Like any brand 6 cylinder gas the D19 is a real fuel hog. I have a D19 diesel and the engine is a money pit but the rest of the tractor hasn't given my any trouble.

That said, I had a neighbor that had a D19 gas and traded it for a 190 gas. He said one thing both tractors had in common was they could do one and a half times the work his D17 could do in a day and use more than twice the fuel doing it. So if you plan on working the tractor you might want to pass.
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 Yup, Afraid the others are right in saying scrap minus costs and profit margain. Even if the trans is good your headed into money pit territory with units like that, buy one that runs.  Ours is a fun toy but far from a practicle tractor cost of operation wise. Actualy it is not bad for fuel when using the power, if not you soon learn to leave it parked.

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Dave is right.
 
Grandpa bought a new D-19 gas, and traded it in after using it for a year or 2. Traded that tractor for a D-17 series IV with 3 pt. Said it was a very good decision and burnt alot less fuel. He still has the D-17 today.
 
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Both tractors, same driver, but years apart!
 
 


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Actually the D17 is only very very slightly more fuel efficient than a D19, but if you aren't using the horsepower you are making with any tractor you are waisting fuel. Another point is that if you part a tractor out it may take you years to sell all the good parts. You can't just say there are $1800 worth of parts on something and expect you are ever going to see $1800. Going to take a person a long time to take those parts off and market them also, if your time is worth anything. Of course a person can spend their own money any way they want. I'm sticking with my recommendation of scrap to parts tractor price.
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restored  a D19D and ended up buying a complete D19 gas for parts only because it was cheaper then buying parts from all over saved just about 2000 in parts.
paid 950 for the  parts tractor spent 125 in fuel and sold the rest of the parts for 675.
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Here's my story. It might be a tad long,so I'll apologize for that now. A guy came by our factory to reman a clutch unit for his D19 one day. In the mean time,he had the tractor at an AC dealership (unknown) and was wanting to have the main shaft replaced,until they told him it would cost him between 2000.00-2500.00 to do the job. A long story short,he took the tractor back home and then stopped by the factory to pick up his clutch,which he called about and said he didn't want to have it done,since he was going to scrap the tractor. I just happened to be at the right place at the right time and offered him 1000.00 for it,sight unseen. He said okay and when I got there to pick it up,it ended up being a very nice D19 diesel. It had like new tires all the way around,great sheet metal,except for the fenders,good rims,factory 3 pt. hitch,new brakes,good,tight tranny/rearend and it didn't jump any gears and it ran. I felt guilty and offered more money,but he would NOT take it. Said he was glad to be getting rid of it. So far I have sold 1500.00 off the tractor,so already I'm 500.00 ahead and I've kept the rest of the tractor for myself for parts for the three I have. The rear tires and rims that I used for one of my gas tractors saved me about 2000.00,since one was brand new and the other only a few months old. So..if a guy is in to selling at all,he can make his money back and then some,if it can be bought for a decent price to begin with. It does take time to take apart,clean,inspect,take pics and then list them for sale,but it IS worth the trouble.  Rick
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Where are all these $2000 d19 gassers you guys keep talking about??? I'd buy a few more at that price. I looked for about 6 months and never found any below 3000 unless they where blown up or parts tractors. I don't see many d-17 gassers for that $ unless they are all ragged out. just my 2 cents. Pete
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I'll bet you could pick up a good combine 262 gas for $1k easy.
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