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    Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 2:17pm
Im looking at getting a track loader, wanting to get something over a 100 horse and 20,000 pound , thinking about a Allis 7G, but dont know anything about them. Need specs on the Allis models and years they were built. What would be the size of a 955 L CAT? I need all the info I can get, thanks.
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AC 7G would meet the 20,000 pnd. criteria but would not make the 100 horse criteria.  Nor would a cat 955 meet the 100 horsepower criteria.  If 100 horse is your criteria you had better look at a 977 or bigger Cat with turbo.  

Sad to say, but the production numbers of AC track loaders over 100 horsepower would be slim here in 2011.  Figuring in the time which has past since they were produced, you would be looking for a long time unless you happened to be in the right place at the right time.  Good luck in your efforts.  Would like to see pics of whatever you get, hope though it is an Allis.  How about and HD 19 Track Loader, seems that would crack the 100 HP criteria?
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 The HD7GB has a six cylinder motor D3500 and should be like 955L or better
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We have a Fiat-Allis FL10c that is about 130 Hp, 30,000 lbs. It has been a good machine.

It may be for sale, if you are interested.


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2 WD45s, 190XT III, 72 AllCrop, Bunch of snap-coupler stuff. Looking for a B and CA
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FL 7 should do most things one would want to do , the weight class your looking in isn't the thing as much as the work that can be done with HP delivered.
 Like in dozers my FD5 will outwork a D4 with no problems at all and at a lower price to operate both in fuel and in overall machine cost.
 The move away from track loaders has hastened as skid steer machines have filled the gap of smaller machines and excavators have taken over in loading and digging in places where track loaders were supreme in the past.
 


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Im looking at using it to clean up fence rows and help keep control on tree limb in the field. Not gonna forget to mention clean out cattle lots. How big is a FD7 and what motors do they have? I aint gonna lie, Im clueless in this area. What the price ranges do any of the loaders run? Im seeing them from $7,000 for something like a FL to $17,000 for a 12GB, is that about right?
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  7G and 7G series B both over 100 engine horsepower. 7000 engine in 7G, 105hp. 3500 engine in 7G series B gotta be way over the 100 mark.
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Mactractor: Thanks for keeping us on our toes, I was thinking about the HP on the 6000 engine.  The reference books show the 7G at 107 HP and max horsepower of the 7000 direct injection at 150 HP.  

I can now remove the egg from my face.  

I guess my perspective would not be so much on the horsepower criteria but the gearing of the machine and how the OPERATOR uses the horsepower bigger is not always better. 
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For what your thinking of you sure don't need that big of a machine as far as 20,000 # or 100HP machine, less your trying to push over 14" diameter trees.
 Bigger isn't always better as as size goes up it seems repairs do also, then moving it becomes the next problem.
 My FD5 has cleared a lot of land and at 70 HP works great. In the past my HD5G at 50 HP has also done many fence rows and barn and feed lots.
 Machines with a torque converter and power shift are just quicker to respond over direct drive machines. In fact even the HD4 loader I had worked good for brush and small trees, then any machines used in conjunction with the 715B TLB could clear most anything.  
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You guys are right, a 7G size loader is probably not needed there, but an Allis engined machine sure does sound a hell of a lot sweeter than any Fiat engined one. Its not always about economics.
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Im gonna be pushing over trees thats bigger than 14 inches. Are 7G's and 7G B series hard to find?
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I have been on here and in conversations with guys here as to PMs' as to machines I have found or looked at, listen well to them they will not steer you wrong.

I backed off owning my own for now, too many needed more work $ to get useable than to just have a contractor come out and push the stuff I needed down so I opted for the latter until I can get a shop and some cash ahead to start a project machine.

Rails(track chains) are high dollar as are rollers or getting them re-manufactured, then you have the downtime and the work on time plus tooling to get it where you need it to what you need it to do.  If you buy one ready to work with all the parts in decent order you will pay a sharp price for it, beware the 'bargains' as they tend to not be in the long run.
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to take out a large tree , you dig on 3 sides of it and then push it over , this can be done with dozer, loader or a backhoe. Brute force works but knowhow wins out .
 On some silo footings at a job site, a guy i was working for had a CAT 977 and was trying to remove them with no luck , said i would remove them with HD5G, he laughed and said could not be done with the 5 , hour later they were in a pile.
 Same on the footing for house on same site he tried digging them and I finished up with 5 in digging into table slabs of lime-rock. Its knowing how to move material and not tax machine but let it do the work.


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Very good point Coke. An HD6 Dozer with a straight blade on it would make short work of those trees if ya knew what you were doin on it.
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MY FD5 cost close to $18,000 in 1988 and I have seen them for same price yet. FD7 or FL7  I think would be in same range not to less.
 To clarify on the silo of why I could take it out with HD5 , he was trying to push it in from outside , I just broke off sections until I could push from inside. Anyone should know you cant collapse a circle foundation by pushing inward , thats where it's strength is.
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An hd11 loader cat would be all you would need, much larger than the hd 5 my dad had that we used for EVERYTHING on the farm. Think about weight if you want to move the machine from place to place. You need a pretty good trailer for an 11 to be legal. I dont know a thing about 977 cat, but an hd11 is  a fairly large unit for tree lines and feedlots. They can be bought fairly cheaply and are very sturdy machines, Just my 2 cents, Trev.
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Ive never seen any hd11 loaders, i would say that would be a good machine. Ive got a hd11 dozer and i like it alot, would like it more if it was running
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I dismantled 2 hd11 loaders for parts these was HD11G with 8 rollers long track and dismantled 5 HD11 dozers
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You don't need a huge machine to push trees over.... I have pushed a few 12-14" plus hardwoods over with my little H3. You just dig on three sides as much as you can and then push up as high as possible towards the 4th side. Sure a bigger machine would make it a little easier but mine gets it done.

Moral of the story is you don't have to have a massive machine that takes a semi tractor and a low boy trailer to move from place to place.
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i have been looking for a long time for a hd7g and have found one yet. dad had one of each  a standard and a b and he liked his 6g better than either 7g .
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HD6G is a very good machine. With enough ballast weight on the back, they will lift a five ton trailer off the back of a logging truck. will lift almost what 7G will. Here in New Zealand you dont need a lowbed to shift them around. just back a 3 axle tip truck up to a bank and drive the loader onto the truck. Keeps shifting costs down
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So i should go with a smaller machine? I know hauling is one thing, but I cant be fooling around having to dig out trees. One push and it should be over and ready to lift out, thats why i was asking about the size of a 7G. The machine I need will have to keep up with a 16B dozer, and I dont really know what model will. 5, 6 or 7G or will I have to go bigger?

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Pushing over a tree still leaves you with cleanup, you still need to fill the hole left by root ball, stack or move the trunk and such . manuvering a machine around and working near things , choosing the biggest machine to do the big jobs and then sacrificing the fact the small jobs end up being hard to do with big machine is false economy.
 Guy i bought a 4WD loader from had 4 piles of topsoil with around 200 yards in each pile and he asked me to spread them for him before i moved the machine. he had worked on one by digging into pile straight on , I just cut edge off and worked trough piles a little at a time and moved them all in a couple hours where he had worked days taking one bucket at a time.
 All in learning how to use a machine , not brute force applied in wrong place.
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I'm with Coke on this, I have used a 450JD loader to push a 22" across black locust out, took a little digging along the edges of the root mass but the tree went over and with a 13,000# machine.  Took less time than I saw a gent on a D6C Cat trying to push a smaller one straight on.

The loader I have on my 180 is no hilift but can be used to move some serious material if handled correctly.
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when you guys are talking about digging on 3 sides of a tree, and then pushing it over from the 4th side, how deep do you have to dig down on the 3 sides? Thanks, Darrel
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Dig on 3 sides into the majority of the feeding root mass, then push TO the fourth direction.  It is not so much as 4 sides but looking down on a tree trunk to the stump picture a "C", cut around the trunk in that horseshoe and as the tree gets looser then push it to the uncut area like a hinge, pick that spot accordingly for the tree to fall to.  Trackhoes and backhoes do well sometimes even better for this; a tree with a serious taproot will fight back even as this method works well, cottonwood, elm, sycamore and similar set a pretty vicious tap root beyond the feeders.
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We had an HD4 Dozer on our farm and it did everything you want but you may want a loader.....sweet little machine with lots of power and plenty of bang for your buck.
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A lot of time only a couple feet, the root ball has a lot of roots near the surface to draw water from. With the back-hoe I might dig down 3 ft or so all the way around, then just fill area back in, its just a matter of breaking up the root structure.
 Removed a big cottonwood stump where they cut the tree down first and then had me remove the stump with hoe. Had a root ball about 12' in diameter, and about 8' deep and took all the power I had with the 715B to get it dug out and lifted out of hole. Once out i could not move it with the machine , had to hook a AC 190 to front  and myself pushing to get it out of yard area.
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Taking some large trees out with a dozer , then looks like he could have cut deeper with PAT blade using the corner to get a few more roots and did the job easier.
 
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