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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I decided that I will wait until Friday to get it welded because I am going to bill deppes salvage yard Friday to look at a d17 and he said that he would help me weld it
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19598 |
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Weldable steel. NOT CAST IRON. Just a good tack on each end of the snap ring with the ring seated deep into the groove. This is NOT a 100% weld thing. Just the ends.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I'm going to attempt to weld the snap ring tonight
What is the clutch and snap ring made of |
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I know that is an ac welder
I will get a picture of it tonight along with the rods we have |
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LaJaMe
Bronze Level Joined: 14 Sep 2014 Location: wisconsin Points: 170 |
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I replaced the clutch collar at the rear of the clutch basket. My hand clutch lever had a very long stroke but would engage and diengage at the end of the stroke. Good news did not half to split, but did have to remove right side rail. Works as should now good luck
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19598 |
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With at least 2 vice grips, clamp the snap ring solidly into the groove at one end and tack weld the end. Work around the snap ring making sure it is in the groove well and tack weld the other tip of the snap ring.
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Les Kerf
Orange Level Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 641 |
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Post a picture of the welder and the rod with the rod numbers, we need to know if it is an AC or DC welder, the diameter of the rod, and the numbers on the rod.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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It's a Lincoln welder not sure what size rod
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8035 |
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What type and size rod?
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I have a old stick welder.
What setting and heat would be good to weld the snap ring to the clutch |
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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itcould be but I just replaced it with a new one
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DrAllis
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Bad rubber boot on the gearshift.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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I do have another question.
I think you could see it in the videos, that chocolate milk looking fluid is my transmission fluid. I know it looks like that because of water in it. My question is how did the water get in. The clutch cover has a new gasket. I am missing a bolt in the shift tower and I didn't get a gasket for that originally but I have one coming. What could I be missing that is letting water in the transmission fluid |
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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thank you everyone for all of your help getting me this far. I could not have done it without your help. I will probably have more questions when I put it back together, but for know I have to get the snap ring welded on or bent to shape and wait for the gaskets to arrive
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Finally got the clutch out
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8035 |
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In your last picture you have identified the 2 spots to place jacks. I think with the hand clutch lever disconnected you can roll the shift fork fwd off of the brass collar. I think...been too long.
A WD45 will have a snap coupler bell with the drawbar stuck in it not like the "pin hitch" in the picture. REMEMBER The trans input shaft has to stay with the trans or it will not leave room to lift clutch out the top once split. At that point I think you can lift clutch and brass collar out as a unit. Once your jacks are in place,you will need to put some lifting pressure on them to take the pressure off the joint where you are splitting. It won't come apart now because it is in a bind. Lucky for you. If you take that clutch apart pay attention to which plates are where and which sides the hubs are riveted to. First and third are same plate but reversed. Center plate has hub riveted in on opposite side. It has to be put together right for internal clearance.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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Can someone confirm where the jack on the plank goes so I can get it done today before work
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hunter321
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Ok
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Les Kerf
Orange Level Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 641 |
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To be blunt, it almost made me seasick Try moving a bit slower and focus on each area for a few seconds longer, and also try backing away for a 'big picture' shot, then move in for the details.
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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here is a better picture of what I am asking. I place a floor jack on a plank under the arrow on the left and a stationary jack under the arrow on the right
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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i need to place a jack under the black arrows right
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hunter321
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Do I place the jack on the plank under the drawbar
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hunter321
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tonight I am going to get a floor jack on a plank under the snap coupler bell housing and another under the pto housing. then I am going to remove the 2 bottom bolts and try to roll the tractor apart. if I am succesful I will let you know, if not I will let you know. does the brass shift collar come out with the shaft or after
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hunter321
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 475 |
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just wondering, are the videos helping you guy understand what I am doing
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hunter321
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i thank you for all of your concern. my dad is helping me, together we split our oliver 1650 to replace one of the shift rails. my tractor is currently sitting exactly where we split the 1650.
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Alberta Phil
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3657 |
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Trying to do what you are, without a hard surface to work on and no experience, and some proper equipment is a ticket to disaster. I would advise you to get someone with some experience at splitting a tractor to help you with this project. None of us on this forum want to see a bad ending to this!
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8035 |
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If you ever get that far.....when this tractor goes back together you have to push it together BY HAND!!! If it's lined up you can and if you can't IT'S NOT LINED UP !!! Forcing it together can damage parts. I get the feeling this point is gonna have to be repeated several times.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4429 |
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... and don't forget that, at some point you have to be able to align things to get it back together. Don't try to pull it together by pulling it with the bolts (threading it together).
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DrAllis
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19598 |
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I just hope the tractor is sitting on a level spot of real estate.
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WF owner
Orange Level Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 4429 |
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I really have bad feelings about you undertaking something like this, when you have no idea what you are doing or the possible repercussions, if something goes wrong. Can't you find someone that has split a tractor before to guide you?
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