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hunter321 
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 Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:36pm |
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Ok.
I thought that meant I needed the board on top of the jack. That's on me for miss understanding what I was told sorry
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Les Kerf
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:27pm |
 SteveM C/IL wrote:
... You need a floor jack on a wide plank or heavy plywood under the snap coupler bell... |
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hunter321
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:16pm |
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Ok
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How do I use a floor jack to roll the rear end when I am splitting the tractor on grass and dirt. The jack doesn't rock very well
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:09pm |
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Get your bottle jack under the pto well placed so it cant kick out. You need a floor jack on a wide plank or heavy plywood under the snap coupler bell. YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT BOTH ENDS!!! When they are jacked evenly the rear half will roll away with the floor jack. You have to remove the brass shifting collar to get the clutch out. Use a long punch stuck it the clutch at the bolts to loosen bolts. You can take them out of clutch later being loose. The shaft going through the clutch has to be totally withdrawn to pull clutch out the top. That 10 inch split ballpark. The clutch shaft likes to stay in the clutch not the transmission and it MUST stay in trans to have room to pull clutch.
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 7:50pm |
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 7:48pm |
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ABSOLUTELY get an easily adjusted jack under the PTO box FIRST !! I don't feel you NEED the two lower dowel bolts because they could be dragging causing you issues BUT you've got to support the PTO box area FIRST.
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hunter321
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 7:42pm |
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So I should remove the 2 bolts I have on the bottom of the frame and put a floor jack under the PTO box
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 7:24pm |
First, I have my doubts that you will be able to slide it apart without some sort of support on both ends.
In the event you can use something to pry it apart, you are going to have close to two tons of tractor that are going to try to fold in the middle. YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT HAS SOME KIND OF EXPERIENCE SUPERVISING YOU. THIS CAN AND WILL HURT YOU (OR WORSE)!!!
Edited by WF owner - 05 May 2024 at 7:56pm
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 6:58pm |
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What you saw in the video is what is supporting it. I don't have any jack under it currently
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 6:40pm |
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hunter show a pic or a video of how you have the tractor supported right now. I've only ever split a B and I used a cherry picker on the front so I could move the front in and out. Had the rear on other supports. How are you moving yours? Oh I won't trust the loader to much.
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 6:26pm |
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DON'T USE HI-LIFT (HANDYMAN) JACKS!!! They are very unstable.
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 6:00pm |
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Need a jack directly under the PTO box. The tractor is trying to fall down into a heap without a jack to support the PTO box and forward, UNLESS your loader is raised up ????? Tractor has to be split probably 10 inches wide. Use two long dowels on the top and none on the bottom. Transmission MUST be in NEUTRAL.
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 5:25pm |
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Going to try working on it tomorrow
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 4:35pm |
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 1:44pm |
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Where do I need to put a jacket to split the tractor easier from what you saw in the video
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 1:42pm |
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How do I get the clutch shaft out so I can remove the hand clutch once I get it split enough. Also how do I unbolt the clutch without it spinning
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 1:28pm |
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Ok
So what would be causing me to not be able to split the tractor.
Is it just how I have the jacks or the ground
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 1:11pm |
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The clutch shaft can pull out of trans. Nothing holding it in place. The roller bearing inside will be fine unless cage is totally worn out then may fall apart. When going back together take that shaft and put it through hand clutch plates and into front pilot to get everything lined up then stick it back in trans. Lock foot clutch down so you can rotate hand clutch by hand while trying to slide trans back in place. Probably best to put trans in gear to hold shaft while turning hand clutch.
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 12:47pm |
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Ok.
Could you see from the video what could be causing the tractor to not split any further.
Is the shaft that is holding the hand clutch supposed to come out
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 12:40pm |
Have the hand clutch engaged/locked before you split the tractor to make it easier to roll it back together. The bent snap ring may be twisted back into shape (maybe) by using a bench vise. If that snap ring doesn't fit in the groove well, it may not stay put and you get to do this all over again. Lastly, the reason the original snap ring blew out of the groove may be because the groove is WORN, not being able to hold the snap ring well. Tack welding the ends of the snap ring to the groove would be a way to insure things stay in place and I don't give a rip about "welding" it making the two pieces unuseable. If the groove is worn out, welding the snap ring into the groove solves the problem. Make sure to vise grip the snap ring down tight into the groove before welding it.
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:51am |
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I'll get a better video
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 11:07am |
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Both of the break rods are in hooked
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Posted: 05 May 2024 at 9:20am |
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Some words of encouragement. You're doing something at 17 in the dirt. Some mechanics wouldn't do in a perfect garage. Just keep learning as you go, be safe, and try things.
I applaud you for splitting a tractor. Let alone as one of the first things you do and outside on the dirt!
Support it well. If it falls you certainly won't be able to pick it up, and if it falls on you, you really won't be able to put it back together.
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 11:07pm |
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Hard to see everything. One brake rod unhooked it takes 2. Looks like a bottle jack under the back half. How do you roll it away on that? It's fixed and can't move. The front needs a jack too because you can't block it in the perfect position. Need to be able to vary the height. You may well be just in a bind from not being in line. Going back together is much trickier because it has to be nearly perfect alignment and the big redi rod doesn't align anything.
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 8:02pm |
https://photos.app.goo.gl/254VkWTPMokQPKwv5Let me know if you guys can view this. This is a video of what I have done
Edited by hunter321 - 04 May 2024 at 8:03pm
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 6:45pm |
hunter321 wrote:
I forgot to mention that the front end of the tractor can't move because I have a loader on it and the bucket is digging into the ground |
If you are relying on the hydraulics to hold it it, for safety you still need to block the front portion of the tractor in case the hydraulics leak down.
I have split a similar size tractor on the dirt all by myself. I put a piece of plywood under the transmission area and used a floor jack to support the transmission, then rolled the rear half of the tractor back. The fun part was lining up the two-stage clutch and getting it all back together.
I had everything well blocked for safety.
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 4:17pm |
Click on the link I have posted. Click on the WD-45 section. There will be illustrated diagrams of the parts by section. Search through it. Also do a web search for WD-45 torque tube. lots of pics out there. Hope the link works https://parts.agcocorp.com/us/en/apbsearch/model
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 11:13am |
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I'll try the spools
What do I put the jack under. Is it right under the hand clutch housing. I need to know
How do I bend the snap ring in the right shape.
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 10:13am |
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I forgot to mention that the front end of the tractor can't move because I have a loader on it and the bucket is digging into the ground
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Posted: 04 May 2024 at 10:05am |
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Could I support the frame with a spool on either side of the tractor and use a jack to support the bell housing
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