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 Topic: How big a job to install a PTO,,,??
Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 11:30pm |
I been thinkin it would be nice to have a PTO on my D14 as my neighbor has offered me a 3 point drag bout 6' wide plus a brush hog for a little more than a song,,,,but the D14 does not have a PTO. What I can't figure is there are lift arms on the tractor, but I have not ever tried to see if they is workable. Can anybody fill me in on how big a job it would be to install a PTO,,?? The tractor has the shuttle clutch if that will make a difference. Secondly,,anybody got a unit for sale and a price,,,, 
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PaulB
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 3:53am |
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With the shuttle clutch the PTO will spin backwards when you use reverse, also it will not run at the standard 540 RPM.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 4:41am |
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Yeah, it runs about 800 RPM, IIRR, on shuttle equipped tractors...
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 5:50am |
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how hard?
easy .
buy another D-14 !
works for me..I have three !!
honestly I see removing that backhoe to be a backbreaker !! LIFE'S WAAY TOO SHORT TO BE LAID UP A DAY LET ALONE A WEEK OR TWO !
and I hate caps locl key too !
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 6:09am |
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You should have kept that D15 LP. Poke poke poke! Darrel
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 9:52am |
OK,,,Paul and Dave,,,which one is it,,,540 or 800 RPM,,,???  Hey Paul,,do you mean the PTO will be rotating CW while in Shuttle forward then turn CCW when in shuttle reverse,,?? If so,,only'ist concern would be to make sure brush hog had stopped spinnin before tryin to back up,,?? Actually Jay,,it takes bout 37 minutes to unhook the two quick couplers and two 1" bolts and drive away from the hoe,,,,!! It takes longer to decide where to park the backhoe,,,,,  Gosh Darrel,,,,,,,you gots too much time on your hands what with all thet snow you been gettin and not bein able to get out into your fields,,,either that or you is spendin too much time talkin to ole Shameless and,,,,and,,,learnin some of his needle sharp pokins,,,,, BUT,,,,after readin and thinkin some on thet ,,,,I went out to the #3 hole out back, dug up and re-counted the $5,346.37,,,,,,,,,,,,,sigh,,,I feel much better now,,,,,,,,
Come in Shameless,,,,,,,are Ya there Good buddy,,,,,say,,,does the,,,,,,the,,,,You know THE TRACTOR gots three point AND a PTO,,,,???
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 10:37am |
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When you spin your 540 bush hog at 800 rpm bad things happen. At that speed when you hit something it or the cutter blade is going to come out and destroy or kill whatever it hits. YA I KNOw you'll run at reduced throttle to keep the PTO speed down to safe levels. Until your in a real tough pull and you advance the throttle to make up for the bogging engine. When you clear the plugging it will over speed.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 10:43am |
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wow 37 minutes TIMES TWO lost every time (off and ON ) yeesh... I only got so many hrs left in my life...kinda why I keep buying D-14s..one is loader only, one is a spare then Troy..the work horse. I've also converted all the 3pt implements to Snap Coupler to save time and my back.
So you know WHY I like lotsa tractors !
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 12:16pm |
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That's a lot of time to unhook and unhook of course this is coming from a person that has two tractors hooked to two different hay rakes because I hate hooking and unhooking.Then I usually have 3 tractors hooked to 3 round balers in case one breaks down.(LOL)
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 6:57pm |
AHA,,,Gary,,,so that is how you tricked the wife for havin so many tractors,,,, Thas good thinkin,,,,Hm,,,,lemme see how I can plat with them words some so's I can talk her into more,,,,,wait a minute,,,,,I don't got nuttin planted to bale or cut or plow or,,,,,,,,chit,,guess i better plan on makin do with what I got,,,,,,, By the way,,,ain't nobody told me what all it takes to install a PTO on the d14,,,,????
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 7:37pm |
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The whole transmission has to be taken apart to have blanks knocked out where the PTO shaft slides through (bearings have to be installed as well). I bought an industrial D14 transmission to replace my gear jumper, that's how I know. As others have said, running 540 rpm equipment at 800 is really asking for trouble.
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 8:48pm |
Hey Myron,,,OK,,I understand what ya'll cautionin me about now,,,,and I KNOW I ain't about to dismantle the trans on this tractor unless I HAS TO,,,!!! By Golly,,a neighbor gots a Minneapolis Moline that I can buy for a song and a short song at that,, Don't know what model it is but bout maybe a size smaller than my D14 and has 3 point and PTO,,,,BUT,,,,but the engine block gots air Conditioning on one side and might need some of the rods,,,,, I;m thinkin they must of brought this tractor into this country in the dark of night as it is the only'ist M/M I have ever seen,,,,,
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Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 10:23pm |
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I don't know how to rate them and what exactly you would need to power a bush-hog, but I saw Lincoln Surplus has some hydraulic PTO units. 2 hoses and you are good to go? Several hundred $$, but might be quick and easy?
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 4:47am |
 Adam Stratton wrote:
I don't know how to rate them and what exactly you would need to power a bush-hog, but I saw Lincoln Surplus has some hydraulic PTO units. 2 hoses and you are good to go? Several hundred $$, but might be quick and easy? |
As long as the units, in question match up to the tractor in question's hyd specs, I think you are right, Adam... 
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 5:38am |
If you could find a 1000 RPM PTO gearbox for your bush hog it might work. At least you would be running the blades closer to their designed speed.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 6:06am |
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this....
The whole transmission has to be taken apart to have blanks knocked out
... scares me !!
Got to the trouble to tear it apart and oopsy MORE than the blanks get knocked out, arrgh...
It sure sounds like a heckuva 'roll of the dice' AND a huge amount of time let alone finding the parts..and nothing is lightweight on a D-14 !
I'm still thinking a 2nd D-14 IS the way to go. I can get TWO runners up here for 1500 Canuck each...hmm maybe it's a good thing Shamless buried my trailer with 'white'...
Jay
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 6:45am |
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Joe, I'd go after that Minnie Mo. Do you know what model it is? If you do get it, you're lucky to be living a ways away from me. Otherwise my wife would come and steal it from you. She has a bad hankerin to have a Minnie Mo. Darrel
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 7:02am |
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I have a Yanmar with 540 and 1000 RPM PTO, I run a pull type King Kutter cutter lots of times with the 1000 PTO speed in grass and small weeds just keep the throttle not over
2/3rds.Been doing it for over 10 years with no issues.Also run a 540 tiller when light cultivating
with my Iseki in 1000RPM PTO.Cut the throttle back some there too. 800 RPM would be about perfect for a 'hog' as farm as I'm concerned.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 7:05am |
Hey Adam,,Thanks for thet tip,,, that might be the way to go when one doesn't have a PTO,,but,,,knowing ole Joe,,,he ain't gonna want to spring for too much of them dollars,,,,and you can tell ole Shameless,, "I said So" Hey Darrel,,,I think I will go talk with the neighbor again and get some pics of thet old M/M. I kinda did a search of M/M engines some back,,but only fount one in Iowa that the dude said was locked up and he wanted,,,,,,,$975,,,CHIT,,,,,I told him I wouldn't even try to kiss him on the cheek and he could go on his way,,,Dang,,,some people,,,! What them blocks made of anyway,,,??? HMmmmmm,,I AM pretty handy with my ole Lincoln arc welder and ,,,and,,I gots bout 6# of thet ole NYE Rod,,,,HMmmmm????
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You know Norm never changed a router bit in his life. He just has a router for each bit. Just saying. 
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 7:36am |
desertjoe wrote:
Hey Adam,,Thanks for thet tip,,, that might be the way to go when one doesn't have a PTO,,but,,,knowing ole Joe,,,he ain't gonna want to spring for too much of them dollars,,,,and you can tell ole Shameless,, "I said So" Hey Darrel,,,I think I will go talk with the neighbor again and get some pics of thet old M/M. I kinda did a search of M/M engines some back,,but only fount one in Iowa that the dude said was locked up and he wanted,,,,,,,$975,,,CHIT,,,,,I told him I wouldn't even try to kiss him on the cheek and he could go on his way,,,Dang,,,some people,,,! What them blocks made of anyway,,,??? HMmmmmm,,I AM pretty handy with my ole Lincoln arc welder and ,,,and,,I gots bout 6# of thet ole NYE Rod,,,,HMmmmm????
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I sure would like to see some pictures of that Minnie Mo. Ya know, that harvest gold with red wheels makes for a mighty pretty tractor when all fixed up like you do em up. Unless it's a newer one. I think newer ones have a little different paint scheme to em. Now I am confused. Just get some pictures. Minnie Mo's are a direct cousin of Allis, so you can talk about them on here. Later, Darrel. P.S., Did you get my PM the other day?
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 7:42am |
I'm in a similar spot on a tractor I never should have bought. Guy had an Oliver 70 standard that he was going to make a puller out of. He was supposed to have all the parts plus extras. I bought it sight unseen and by the time I got it I couldn't back out. He had lots of parts but they were all row crop parts and I ended up not having any of the hard to come by parts. He had also taken the PTO out drawbar off etc. So I ended up with a tractor with a lot of money sunk in that won't pull or drive anything. It runs nice and I have slowly made and modfied metal for it and used some odd ball salvage special pieces and it looks nice to me (needs finished and paint) but what good does it do? Have thought about adding a PTO somehow and putting a belly mower on it. But a 6 cylinder lawnmower would be real efficient! Anyway. Here is a link to the motors I talked about. Might be easier than tearing into the tranny, and if you've already got an auxiliary pump it might be the easiest option? https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydraulics/Hydraulic-Motors/Ag-PTO-Output-Hydraulic-Motors/
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 8:00am |
Adam Stratton wrote:
I'm in a similar spot on a tractor I never should have bought. Guy had an Oliver 70 standard that he was going to make a puller out of. He was supposed to have all the parts plus extras. I bought it sight unseen and by the time I got it I couldn't back out. He had lots of parts but they were all row crop parts and I ended up not having any of the hard to come by parts. He had also taken the PTO out drawbar off etc. So I ended up with a tractor with a lot of money sunk in that won't pull or drive anything. It runs nice and I have slowly made and modfied metal for it and used some odd ball salvage special pieces and it looks nice to me (needs finished and paint) but what good does it do? Have thought about adding a PTO somehow and putting a belly mower on it. But a 6 cylinder lawnmower would be real efficient! Anyway. Here is a link to the motors I talked about. Might be easier than tearing into the tranny, and if you've already got an auxiliary pump it might be the easiest option?
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydraulics/Hydraulic-Motors/Ag-PTO-Output-Hydraulic-Motors/ |
I have 2 Oliver 70 Standards here with no motors and not much sheet metal but have most everything else I'd sell parts off of.Even have a couple sets of original wheel weights for them.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 9:26am |
HMmmmm,,,something tells me ole Stan also has a whole barn full of them tractors,,,,one for every job,,,,!!! ,,Thas good,,,,thas good,,, Chit,,Darrel,,,I just now seen the PM,,,,wonder why I didn't get a message of the PM,,?? If the Ac's and the M/M's is cousins,,,,I feel much better now,,,,!! Adam,,some time back,,I posted on here bout one of them Olivers 70 for sale over towards Lubbock, Tx. It had PTO, 3 point and looked to be complete, and if my memory serves me good,,,it even had engine side covers but did need all tires,,,,never could catch the owner but if you is interested,,,I'll find out the what/whats. It stayed there for the longest.
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Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 9:28am |
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Joe, tell the loving wife that you know she loves you and that she would not want you to get hurt by trying to run that mower with the wrong pto and you really need another D14 so you won't have to struggle changing implements and how inexpensive they are for such a good tractor. She might even go buy it for you herself! And it is always nice to have two of the same so you can swap parts to help with diagnosing problems.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 8:21am |
PaulB wrote:
With the shuttle clutch the PTO will spin backwards when you use reverse, also it will not run at the standard 540 RPM. |
Incorrect, the PTO runs the normal direction without respect to the position of the shuttle clutch lever however it does run at an odd RPM
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Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 9:11am |
Butch , that is correct ,these 3 shaft's (top hollow and solid ) (lower PTO Drive )never change direction when moving shuttle leaver forward or backwards
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Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 9:14am |
one shaft runs clock wise ,other CC
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Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design.
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Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 9:48am |
Here are a few pics from a 615 manual 
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Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 8:03am |
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Thanks for the parts offers but that tractor is so far on the back burner it's not even on the stove right now. I get frustrated with it about every time I see it (so it's waaay back buried in the corner of the shed now.
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