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Blew the motor on an Allis D-14

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    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 9:58pm
Maybe condensation or antifreeze that was blown inside the muffler from the accident and now back together and heating up the muffler that antifreeze and carbon goo melting and coming out
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Oh, OH, hope it's something simple to fix!

"REMOVE pipe wrench BEFORE starting !!! do NOT ask WHY I KNOW this...."   I put an interesting dent in my 4 year old Ford Courier front fender that way while working on a n MF 65 about 40 years ago...
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Maybe do the yuck, taste test. If it's 'sweet' it's antifreeze... though you should do a 'reference' test to be sure.
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The last picture looks like it may be antifreeze.
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New problem.

I'm burning oil around the muffler. Yep...that's what I said. I don't see any leaks, pulled the intake/exhaust manifold off and had some black, burnt oil on the ports. Cleaned it up, but can not for the life of me see where it's coming from. So I took some pics. See below...
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Originally posted by Dave(inMA) Dave(inMA) wrote:

Excellent news! Congratulations - must feel great!!!!

How about a video of her starting and running? Please?


I have video.  Just need to get it uploaded! 

Only down side is that one oil line.  It looks like it has been replaced prior to my acquisition, as it is a steel line, unpainted, looks like new, about the size of my pinky.  It runs from the oil pump down, around the front of the oil pan and into a brass fitting at the front of the tractor.  I'll take some pictures and show you all.  I think, I THINK, it's leaking from the brass fitting itself, not the line.  However, I'm doing it, I am doing it right!

I'm at the firehouse today, so I'll have tomorrow and Friday to tinker some more with it.

As a side note, my oldest boy was grinning ear to ear.  My wife's comment was, "I didn't doubt you could do it.  I mean...you did it once already..."  Thanks Hunny...rub some salt in that wound ;-)  She's a great woman...I love her dearly, and she's been understanding and supportive with this venture. 
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Excellent news! Congratulations - must feel great!!!!

How about a video of her starting and running? Please?
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Originally posted by Allis dave Allis dave wrote:

Great news. That's the best feeling ever isn't it?


Yes SIR!!!!!!!
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Great news. That's the best feeling ever isn't it?
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Got her started today!

Got everything together including fluids.

She fired up the second try. I didn't let her run long as there was a little blue smoke coming out. So I let her rest and fired her up again. Blue smoke gone! Runs smoother and cleaner than before!

Downside. Found there is a small leak from the oil pump. No big deal. It's a split tube. Easy fix.

I can thank you all enough for your advice and help.

Any time any of you are in the Indianapolis area, supper is on me.
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Before you put the plugs in, roll the engine over several times. If there are any tight spots in it have a can setting close by and kick it as far as you can, or you can set on it and cry for a while. If you didn't have the crank checked for bend or check the other rods for bends. Have it done. That means a tear down, and take crank and rods to an engine shop and have them checked. If they're not OK the best you can expect is a heck of a vibration when you start it up and it will not get better. They both can be straightened and  reused if you want to.
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lot of shrapnall i hope you got every oil passage brushed and cleaned good so it does not run  a tiny little grain of sand size piece through  a bearing.    sad to see that happen and also screw up a good  deer hunt.  cylinder heads sure are the heart beat of an engine
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Well said, Dave! 
I've experienced it- still am. 
My 10 yr old daughter still hugs me when I fix or do something for her that she can't do - yet. 
But, I'm teaching her about things along the way and she's seen me get ecstatic over things and she's seen me when I've come slightly unglued, too. 
But, that's been few and very far between as I have a whole lot of patience to see some things and engage my brain before opening my mouth. 
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Also remember- if something goes wrong, it's not a failure in your ability to perform, it's a success in your ability to learn... and your assistant NEEDS to see you do both.

Why?

Because our children need to see that we're super-heroes.  That doesn't mean we're perfect at everything... it means we're human, subject to mistakes and pitfalls... and strong enough that when we stumble, we get back up and do it again.

The best lesson for our kids, is to see us at both our best, and worst, and see that patience and persistent dedication is what we're made of.   Thumbs Up

Oh, and when you start it... stand alongside, with your hand on the kill switch, listen for 'bad' sounds.  If you hear any, shut it down... and if after a minute or two it settles in, sounds good, etc.,  then let your kids watch you jump up and down and celebrate like a little kid!!!
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Being nervous is natural... all part of the process.

I don't know why, but I'm always nervous when I go to start an engine that I've built fully... but if I only give it a partial... like just a top end, or bottom end, etc., I'm not nervous at all.  Perhaps it's because they're all unproven at the same time... I dunno.

But you've done a good, thorough job of everything here so far, and keep in mind that between technology, tools (Bridgeport made a high-quality Precision Valve Spring compressor!!!), and and resources (books, materials, and an army of old farts with computers willing to share their mistakes...

"REMOVE pipe wrench BEFORE starting !!! do NOT ask WHY I KNOW this...."

Owch!  Yep... and the chuck-key from the drill press... and the can from the exhaust stack of the oilfield engine parked directly underneath the big merc-vapor low-bay lamp...

...You'll do just fine.  Realize, farmers did this on rainy days, and if they were lucky, the dirt-floor shed was high enough to stay dry... so you're gonna be fine.  Double check all your fasteners around the front of the engine, and make sure it won't jump into gear and drive over you or your pit crew when it lights up.Wink
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progress !! Great !! hope you're taking pictures especially get your 'helper' in them...later on you'll both enjoy going down 'memory lane'...
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Today I had my 9 year old son in the garage helping me put the D14 back together. We got the push rods, rocker arms, valve cover, and thermostat and housing all back on. He was excited to help, and was awesome at helping set the initial tappet gap.

Next on the agenda is the pick up, oil pan, and putting fluids back in.

To say I'm nervous, is an under statement. But, that's we learn, right?

Spending time with the oldest boy, and teaching him a little something is worth it.
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Which Missile System John?  Sounds like old Hawk Stuff. LOL
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Using the machine tool to install the valve springs seems like a logical thing to do.  I once used a jack used to lift war heads onto air defense missiles to install an engine in my VW bus.  Inspector later asked the crew where the dirty engine oil on the jack came from.......
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Originally posted by chaskaduo chaskaduo wrote:

Patience


Ain't that the truth!!!
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Originally posted by squirt239 squirt239 wrote:

Because I have been known to be a bonehead at times....


There ya' go!!! LOL... LOLLOLSmile
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Patience
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Another question....

What tools have you used to get the two bolts on the oil pan, closest to the bell housing?  I've used a wrench, but I can only move it a smidgeon each time before resetting.  Tite reach?  Some tool I've never heard of?
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Because I have been known to be a bonehead at times....

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Just take your key out and tie it to the pipe wrench. LOL (Assuming you have a key, that is... Wink)
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Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Isn't there a hole under front grill screen for a crank to slip in? If so, and the crank pulley is right then a C Allis crank should grab the crank pulley to turn it over.


There is, but I don't want to chance buying a tool that may or may not work.  I think the pto trick is the way to go!!! 

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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

engage PTO, put pipe wrench on PTO shaft

REMOVE pipe wrench BEFORE starting !!! do NOT ask WHY I KNOW this....

other option
 is to put a big ,bent screwdriver in the timing hole and move the ringgear,just be careful.... this is closer and since no plugs in holes is easy enough to do.

Jay


HAHAHA!!!  We've all had those moments.  Trust me, I have had more than my fair share...

Great idea!  Thanks!
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Isn't there a hole under front grill screen for a crank to slip in? If so, and the crank pulley is right then a C Allis crank should grab the crank pulley to turn it over.
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