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Dmpaul89 
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 2:55pm |
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Well I was ready to place on order a 175 engine kit today, but was told that that part # is backordered indefinitely. The man said I could place the order but it could be a week a year or never. This is really disappointing. He said they may be waiting to get a certain number of orders before they remanufacture the kit... Who has the time for that?? I also called around to every dealer within 50 miles and nobody has one in stock. Should I even bother to place the order? Aftermarket is looking better and better
Lets all call in an order and maybe get agco's attention! lol
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 2:58pm |
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David - did you try Flieg's? They often keep a 175 kit in stock. Mike
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 3:04pm |
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the dealer should be able to check if any dealer in the country has one...
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 3:25pm |
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I don't know what's in an 'engine kit' but any chance Agco justs 'repackage' an after market one ? After all I can't see Agco actually MAKING the bits and pieces.....
i KNOW they don't make he ring gears for the D-14s ! Mine was Made in India !!
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Dmpaul89
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 3:33pm |
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Ill call fliegs now. Jay its been discussed on other posts that the agco 175 kit is the only 4" kit made all others are overbore and dont use the power crater pistons. I may have to go that route now though. And the lady at one of the dealers did a search but she said not all parts get inventoried
Edited by Dmpaul89 - 14 Oct 2015 at 3:35pm
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 3:51pm |
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Called Fliegs, No luck. gonna try the 170 kit now
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 4:28pm |
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We're talking about the gas 226 motor right?
Hervey
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:05pm |
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yeah Hervey for my D17.
OK guys well I was able to track down 2 remaining kits for the 170. They are 8.00 Compression kits. I believe these are the last 2 in existence. I was able to confirm one the guy had to wipe dust off the box to read the part #. I asked how much? $982 and some change. Wow. the other supposed kit the dealer did not answer.
These were found through the parts system they have. I cant believe that they quoted me a price like that for a box that's been sitting there probably 20 years. What did they pay for it $200??
Im thinking hard about buying this kit...
Heres my options,
$1000 agco kit, plus $125 Valve kit, and $125 for rod and main bearings. (about $1250)
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$750 Major overhaul aftermarket kit that includes valves and bearings.
I just cringe at the thought of not having the right power crater pistons. I mean that's what those engines were known for! Putting some flat tops in there just doesn't seem right.
Edited by Dmpaul89 - 14 Oct 2015 at 5:10pm
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:41pm |
Did you call sandy lake? http://www.sandylakeimp.comI haven't ordered from them before but I know their name comes up alot here as the goto place for agco parts. I was going to call them myself for a 175 kit if my d17 needs one. I don't know what I will do with mine it runs now but when it gets hot I end up with a valve that I don't think closes all the way. I have fought with stuck valves before I think if I end up having to do the head I will do the lower half as well. I would sort of like to upgrade to the 175 just to get a little more compression as I use it pretty hard. But cost will be a factor in what I do. If I can just do rings and bearing that will probably be what I do. Also look at the supplier page here I would try some of them for aftermarket kits I know from first hand experience that ok tractor is early good I have ordered a few small things from them over the years. Let me know how you make out before the winter is done I will be inside my d17 motor figuring out just what she needs to fix her weird running when she is hot. That is new about a month ago when I was cutting the last of the hay. Well I have a little more fall work for her before she can get some more quality shop time.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:45pm |
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Is there per chance an old M&W kit floating around?
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:47pm |
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Call Jim at OKtractor, I got a 175 kit from him last year for under $700
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:52pm |
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Chickenman I doubt that was an agco kit? Was it overbore?
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:54pm |
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I can't believe you found a kit. You can't turn back time. So that's what the price is now. You know the CR you are getting. So bite the bullet. Tim
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:55pm |
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Dan ill call sandy lake. But the search that my agco dealer did only resulted in 2 kits. If sandy lake has one they dont have it on there agco inventory. 175 kits are gone its just these 2 170 kits left and not even sure if theres 2 only confirmed 1
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 5:58pm |
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Tim we typed at the same time lol. Your right. Ill be calling back in the morning to try and haggle if I can get 10 percent off even it would help
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 6:20pm |
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I here ya. I've been down this road w/ a WD kit. You will never have any what if's later on going w/ this kit, compared to the other. The Doctor knows best. lol
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 6:43pm |
 Dmpaul89 wrote:
Chickenman I doubt that was an agco kit? Was it overbore? |
I just checked their website all the OKtractor kits listed are over bore 4 1/8" one kit shows the dished pistons the other 2 have flat top pistons. Just out of curiosity what is different in the 170 to 175 kits? I know the 175 has higher compression I was just wondering what I could do to my serries 1 D17 to boost the compression or if that is a bad idea. Mine doesn't smoke so I am thinking I will end up with rings bearing and a valve job. Mine was really fussy about what gas I could run this summer I don't know what caused that but I had to be really careful where I bought gas. She has never cared about what I ran for gas before.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 6:46pm |
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Man it looks like I might just have the last Allis Chalmers 175 gas piston and sleeve kit left in the USA.
Edited by Don(MO) - 14 Oct 2015 at 6:47pm
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 6:51pm |
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I have an AC NOS piston and sleeve set 4" bore, 7.25 comp ratio. Unfortunately, it is missing one piston: part no. 229717. I would like to find a NOS matching piston or an excellent used one to complete the kit!
Edited by Alberta Phil - 14 Oct 2015 at 6:52pm
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 7:18pm |
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We used the flat top 4 1/8" overbore kit in our tractor, think it was after market but it went together well and works fine for what we are doing. Machine shop I use felt like the parts were of a good quality and didn't mind using hem and putting their name on the work. No one sees what is inside of the motor but to each his own I guess. I wasn't going for a full original restoration just a good working tractor. JMHO, hope this helps
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 7:26pm |
Alberta Phil wrote:
I have an AC NOS piston and sleeve set 4" bore, 7.25 comp ratio. Unfortunately, it is missing one piston: part no. 229717. I would like to find a NOS matching piston or an excellent used one to complete the kit!
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I have your missing 229717 piston. It found its way into my WD45 engine. I pulled it and replaced it with a correct wd45 piston this spring. PM me and we can complete your kit.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 9:08pm |
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I don't understand what an "Agco" kit is...None of the overhaul kits you will find are manufactured by Agco, they are ALL "aftermarket". They likely sell Reliance kits...I googled 175 kits and found a 4 inch bore dished piston kit at Agkits parts, about $600 if I remember. There are also 226 overbore kits, that's what I put in my wd. They are flat top pistons. All I can tell you is that little tractor pulls like crazy. An Agco dealer is the last place I'd buy an engine kit, their mark up is going to be way more. Hope this helps, Trev.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 9:34pm |
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Run an honest compression test and tell us what it is.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 9:55pm |
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if memory serves me right,it was said by one of our local experts on this site, that replacing power crater pistons with flat top pistons will actually reduce compression ratio.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 10:09pm |
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Theory is that the overbore makes more room than the flat top can make up for I guess. Plus the heads are flat. So the combustion doesnt flow like it would with the heavy dished power crater piston. Im not dogging on anyone who used the aftermarket kits I may well end up doing the same. I just wonder why these aftermarket companies had to change a good thing. Why the overbore? Why flat top? Why not mirror the factory piston and just lower the pin location for more compression? Sigh.. im getting too worked up over this. I should just throw a 262 in it stretch the frame and call it a day lol
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 10:32pm |
lol.i hear ya.just be patient.a 175 kit w/8:25 to 1 comp ratio is bound to pop up sooner or later.main thing is, is not to get excited 
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 10:35pm |
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Got 110 psi on all jugs when I tested. Thought that was good. The engine starts very well and pulls very hard, lots of torque.
David, unless you are building a pulling engine, which is out of my league, I'd just buy from one of the vendors on this site. I am very pleased with the overbore flat top piston kit I used, Trev.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 10:59pm |
Here's two shots of D17 and 175 pistons. I the first shot on the left is the D17 piston and on the right is the 175 piston looking from the top.  In this shot you can see the diff in height from the pin.  It's worth hunting a set of 175's.
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Posted: 14 Oct 2015 at 11:02pm |
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I know where to get 8 to 1 power crater after market pistons and sleeve sets.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 4:07am |
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Don thanks for posting those photos. Now I know what I an looking for when I open up my d17.
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