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JayIN 
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 Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 6:11am |
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Hey-----Its still better than a gambling problem at the local casino......
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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chalmera
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Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 5:41pm |
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If you ever doubt the money spent, take the wife and drive down to the new tractor shop. Look at the price tag and how the new ones are built. Do you want one of them for that price or yours for that price that you can fix?
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Jk chalmers
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Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 1:53pm |
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She def found you lol funny how that works out and the people you talk to and meet along the way are all part of the fun and the begging of an attachment to the tractor no doubt
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modirt
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Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 1:25pm |
 Sugarmaker wrote:
mo,Sounds like most of my days, till you turn the corner one day and things start to come back together. :) I am going to tell you that this is probably the tip of the ice burg. You sure made good progress getting into the tractor! Regards, Chris |
That was the big fear when I found her......a gamble or sorts. But one that seemed to be worth it when we started. A real find or a money pit? Only one way to find out.
But it took a working carb to have a working engine to find out all the rest of it. Up to our neck in it now.......like watching a stack of dominoes fall. In addition to all the rest, we now suspect a problem with the hydraulics, as the lift arms don't go up and down.....they just stay up. And still don't know about the transmission and if she jumps gears. That light we see at the end of the tunnel may well be an oncoming train.
But I am finding out more about her all the time. It turns out the shop she is sitting in now is where she came from originally. Shop's owner is still alive and kicking and remembers selling her to the gent from across the road. That, plus a whole slew of other equipment, including a 190XT, Gleaner F2 to name a few. But the D15 was his favorite and when he retired from farming, it was the only tractor he kept.
I'm also finding out the D15's previous owner and Shop owner have a lot of history and were tight....and still are. It turns out I have history with them too. The Gleaner L that I ran way back when came from there two. The guy doing the wrenching on the D15 now remembers unloading the big Gleaner from a flat bed rail car. One of two Gleaner L's they unloaded that day and the two of them had consecutive serial numbers. Once I found all this stuff out, I really didn't have much choice but to go all in.
Beginning to wonder if I found her or she found me?
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 8:26am |
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Grease often. On most tractor front-end bolsters, it helps to slightly jack up or lift up their frame weight away from front axle to help the grease flow into their pivot(s). So if grease zerk is plugged &/or a jack/lift is not available - bolster doesn't get grease :(
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modirt
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Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 8:02am |
Don(MO) wrote:
If you need a good front bolster I have one. |
Thanks for the offer. We will see where this goes. May depend on how wallowed out that bushing hole is. If it didn't get into any meat, we may be OK.
What may be needed more is the front axle with the matching pin that the bolster rides on. That pin is boogered up pretty good, plus someone must have hit something hard with that right front tire. Axle is bent back and twisted. But it's the pin that is of greatest concern. Getting that welded back true and square so bolster would fit back together and then ride right would be a neat trick.
BTW, there is a grease zerk under there. If you haven't greased yours lately, you might want to consider doing so soon. It appears there are dire consequences down the road if you don't.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 17 Aug 2018 at 9:43pm |
Ah yes, the it was free, part!:) I have several items like that which have worked on my wallet to lighten the load! But I sure had a lot of fun working on them! Yes this tractor should be worth it to get it going. Full Refurb with fresh paint and details?? I will leave that one up to you. Regards,
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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AC720Man
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Posted: 17 Aug 2018 at 9:35pm |
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D-15 is definitely worth saving. They are a great little tractor. Rick Courder is the man when it comes to clutches if his name hasn’t already been mentioned. 314-479-7757. He has done several for us and we couldn’t be happier. Great price, great product, great support. Your getting along well....and it was free!!! Man I wish I could get one for that.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 17 Aug 2018 at 9:21pm |
mo, Sounds like most of my days, till you turn the corner one day and things start to come back together. :) I am going to tell you that this is probably the tip of the ice burg. You sure made good progress getting into the tractor! Regards, Chris
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 17 Aug 2018 at 7:01pm |
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If you need a good front bolster I have one.
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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modirt
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Posted: 17 Aug 2018 at 4:14pm |
OK, front end pulled and engine out and here is what we found.
Clutch is gone......had worked deep enough to cut grooves in the flywheel and pressure plate.
When you hit the starter, you normally got this chunky clunky sound, that was not good. Concern was for the ring gear and potential damage to it. Too late.........
And pinion gear on the starter is not much better, and that had been replaced once. So starter is off for it's Full Monty treatment.
Next comes the front axle and this pin...........
Chewed up pretty good. Still contemplating what to do with this one. Obvious solution is to take this off and either turn it around and weld this one back or else replace it with new stock from some source. Seems to me the trick will be in getting welded back true. Beyond that, the front carriage or axle is sprung and bent back on the right side. Thoughts are that is not a tough fix, with numerous suspects mentioned who could handle the job.
And the matching hole in the front bolster casting is also gone.......can't tell yet if it got through the bushing into meat, or if the hole is still good.
And if that wasn't enough, it appears rear wheels are rusted out enough that either some welding or new rims are going to be in order.
So all in all, the day proved to be most revealing.
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1852 Moore Farm
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 7:23pm |
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Monty is great with starters. He was a third of the cost for rebuilding our 19 starter compared to a new diesel unit. He will be getting the 17's starter this winter. Keep up the posts on the revival of your 15.
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modirt
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 6:57pm |
Sugarmaker wrote:
Good news! Sound like it is in good hands. Wanted to mention that that carb looked brand new! Hope the clutch system gets fixed soon. Will be watching!Regards, Chris |
Yes, Monty did a number on the carb. And FWIW, he charged half of what the implement shop did and did 5X the work. Sometimes you get lucky and find a true artist to help you out. I know there are guys on this forum who would have done as well, but I'm not one of them. Nice to find a local guy who could do it for me.
PS: Rumor has it he is equally as good with starters and generators. We may get to find out with the D15 starter, which needs dire attention.
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modirt
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 6:48pm |
DrAllis wrote:
The spring under the gas tank is a counterbalance spring. It aids the hand throttle linkage in pulling the governor spring clear open. If it isn't there, the friction blocks on the throttle linkage will have to be tighter to hold the throttle in the wide open position. |
Can anyone provide a photo of where this spring connects......both ends? I think DJ's has them, but the one they show on their website has one long arm and one short arm. Sketch on the online parts books seems to show both as long arms. And does not show where the ends connect.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 6:07pm |
Good news! Sound like it is in good hands. Wanted to mention that that carb looked brand new! Hope the clutch system gets fixed soon. Will be watching! Regards, Chris
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DiyDave
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 5:43pm |
3 things, Mouse piss is almost as bad as battery acid, so something might be rusted tight in the clutch mechanism...
Second, make friends with McMaster-Carr, purveyors of all the hardware you'll ever need, if you can figure out the name, to search fer it!
Last, the screws that hold the shroud to the radiator, are just 5/16" coarse thread flat head machine screws, about 1/2" long, IIRR. Sorry I don't know the technical name for the nuts, but McM-C, prolly has 'em...  |
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Jk chalmers
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 5:15pm |
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Just out of curiousity If it is just the clutch do you know about what they will charge you? I’ve always done my own and it’s not fun But always just figured I was saving a bunch of money but that’s great news if they’re moving that fast. I’m sure that’s all it is is just the clutch wore out. I’d love to hear that first start up if you get the chance.!!
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modirt
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 5:07pm |
One thing I found when pulling the front sheet metal off was some special nuts with a flat side, used as inserts in the side of the radiator. One was missing, two were loose and one was imbedded in the hole.
I could not figure out how the actual mounting method was supposed to be. And I"m short one nut anyway.
That is not something they sell in the hardware store. Is there an aftermarket source for those or do you have to rely on the goodwill of someone with a parts tractor to help out?
And the large flat tip mushroom headed screws that go into them are toast too.
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modirt
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 5:02pm |
Here she is, stripped down and prepped for surgery.........
She crawled up on a truck and left for town about an hour later. Things appear to be moving fast. Was told the engine would be out and all would be revealed late tomorrow morning.
Alternative theory is that the clutch may be OK. Knowing I pulled about 2 gallons of mouse nests and assorted crud out of the housing, it has been proposed that there remains at least that much crud still in the pressure plate, clutch, throw out bearing, etc. Or that mice could have chewed on the fibers. Hombres if they did.
Since she has a working tach, showing 5,200+ hours, it is also possible she still has her first clutch and it is just flat worn out. Rumor has it they don't last forever. Some longer than others, depending on who is doing the clutching.
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JayIN
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 3:47pm |
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Kinda sounds like tbe.clutch exploded and shredded all its fiber....
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Jk chalmers
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 12:47pm |
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modirt
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Posted: 16 Aug 2018 at 11:23am |
As the saying goes........"in for a penny, in for a pound".
Have decided to ride it out to see where this goes. Gonna take her to the shop to let them crack her open to see what's what.
Stay tuned!!!
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Jk chalmers
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Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 6:22pm |
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But if you don’t wanna mess w it I’ll trailer a wd45 w a d17 engine in it straight up its ready to go :)
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Jk chalmers
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Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 5:55pm |
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Have you checked the pressure plate adjustment? My wd45 did the same thing and the three Fingers just needed adjusted and Wala... !! But Those are such awesome little tractors as long as it’s not too crazy I would definitely get her done..
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modirt
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Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 5:40pm |
Spent a couple hours cleaning more mouse nests out, and found a big one behind the yoke, preventing it from retracting fully. Got that out and all cleaned up, and with hopes rising, we began to see some action. For the first time since the engine fired up, I got the PTO shaft to turn....but not always at the same speed. Sometimes fast, sometimes barely at all. With tractor in gear, she at least twitched once or twice, but no real progress towards movement. BTW, I did adjust the clutch rod, in - out, and at one point, not connected at all. Same result.
So, knowing it wasn't getting better with my efforts, I called John at the same local shop where the carb went and he made a house call. His prognosis is a problem with the foot clutch that isn't going to be resolved here. Will probably require pulling the engine to find out. He also noticed what I have suspected is a problem with the starter that will also have to be fixed.
So.........decision time.
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modirt
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Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 7:42am |
When the clutch is fully out and released, there doesn't seem to be any pressure on it, but when you step on the clutch pedal, it moves maybe 1/2" or less before it starts to compress the spring on the adjustment rod. It (distance down the clutch rod) will then travel about 2 inches or so before it bottoms out. Clutch pedal itself travels about 4 inches or so (going from memory, will have to measure travel distance to confirm).
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Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 7:13am |
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How much "free-play" is there in the clutch pedal ???????????? there has to be at least a couple of inches.
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modirt
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Posted: 15 Aug 2018 at 7:08am |
den/southern illinoi wrote:
That lever would engage the belt pulley if you had one, Den |
Ok, good information.
Beginning to sound like the main engine clutch is gone or somehow seized up in the open position, the latter being not very likely.
Bad clutch might explain why she was parked, then forgotten about?
Will do some more checking later today.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 9:29pm |
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That lever would engage the belt pulley if you had one, Den
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modirt
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Posted: 14 Aug 2018 at 9:22pm |
Also, if it helps, I've been thinking back to how I found her when parked in the barn. I think she was in reverse, and power shift was left in neutral.
I asked if it was 10 years or 20 and they seem to think more like 20 since she last moved.
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